S1 EP 7

[00:00:01] Speaker A: The best music from the 60s to today. IPL radio. [00:00:06] Speaker B: Hey, hey, hey. Welcome to IPL radio talking talk with Darren Shanter. Another great Sunday, plenty of guests. This is going to be called our restoration show. So we've got some great guests. We've got Mark Sully from Old Car Radios Fixed. He's coming on straight away. Mark Dooley from the Rubber Connection. Corey Horter talking about the Red Bull, Christian Horner sacking. And we've, we've been talking about that over the past couple of days. So this is our thoughts. Some great music, a film review on the new Brad Pitt film F1, and some sensational music. And with its 40 years of live Aid, we're going to be my favorite singer, Freddie Mercury Queen, the king of Live Aid, the man. So without further ado, let's speak to Mr. Mark Sully of old. Right. Old car radios repaired. Hey, mate, how are you? [00:01:10] Speaker C: Yeah, good. Hi, Darren. And listeners. Yeah, it's old car radio is fixed. [00:01:14] Speaker B: Old cast radio's fixed. I don't know why I put repairing. Oh, that's cool. Hey, mate. So this is our restoration show. A lot of cars have old school radios. [00:01:27] Speaker B: How did you get interested in rearing, repairing old car radios, mate? [00:01:32] Speaker C: Oh, well, my dad used to back in the 60s and early 70s he repaired televisions. Then early 70s to mid mid late 70s, he moved to car radios and then got out of that and went into another career. [00:01:45] Speaker B: Yep. [00:01:46] Speaker C: I thought well off I'd finished school in 1981, got and went straight into. Straight into repairing car radios, mate. [00:01:55] Speaker B: It must have been really hard earlier on because it wasn't. There were still modern things and the restoration of cars. There was always a restoration or a modification of cars and stuff like that. [00:02:06] Speaker C: But. [00:02:08] Speaker C: Basically in those days, back in the 81, we were just repairing where I was working back then, the lesson in car radio, we were just doing a lot of warranty work and for the. For the radio manufacturers. [00:02:18] Speaker B: Yep. [00:02:20] Speaker C: Which is basically the same radios I'm repairing these days is where I was back to where I started from. [00:02:28] Speaker B: Okay. And what were some of the companies that you worked for in the day and. And who was around in the day? [00:02:35] Speaker C: Okay, sort of. At 1982, I started with this in a car radio. [00:02:40] Speaker B: Yep. [00:02:40] Speaker C: In there for a little while. [00:02:43] Speaker C: In mid-80s to Wilson Wilson and Hall Car Sound in South Melbourne. Great place to work for until another company took them over. [00:02:51] Speaker B: Yep. [00:02:51] Speaker C: And then I'd moved to United Auto Sound. Another great company to work for until. Yeah, another company which I won't remain. I Won't name really because I didn't. Didn't like them. They took over that as well, which took me to 1991 and I went out on. On my. On my own. [00:03:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:03:10] Speaker C: Never look back. [00:03:11] Speaker B: Yeah. I remember some of the, some of the guy like Gary's Car Radio. They were massive in Melbourne. Yeah. [00:03:17] Speaker C: If people look back in the big car radios of the companies of the day in Western Australia you had Crazy Charlie's. [00:03:23] Speaker B: Oh yeah. [00:03:24] Speaker C: South Australia had Tonkins. [00:03:26] Speaker B: Yep. [00:03:27] Speaker C: Queensland was Brisbane Car Sound. New South Wales. Rider Car Audio. Then Victoria, Gary's Car Radio. Paul Phillips Car Sound. Wilson and Hawk Car Sound. King's Car Sound. And from what all sort of research I've done, I think Rider Car Sound is the only one of those people still going. But it certainly changed. They don't repair much, they just sell a lot of product. [00:03:54] Speaker B: Yeah, it was, it was bizarre because in the day like, like the, the. The massive. Like west. Was it Westfield, the, the massive car radio sound place in New South Wales, they went to mobile phones and then they went bankrupt. [00:04:09] Speaker C: Yeah, that was. Who was that? [00:04:10] Speaker B: Oh they sponsored Wayne Gardner and the Commodore back in the day. [00:04:14] Speaker C: Strathfield Car Radio. [00:04:15] Speaker B: Strathfield Car Radio. [00:04:17] Speaker C: What's a place I didn't want to mention because they took over two of the places that I work for that I really enjoyed working for. [00:04:22] Speaker B: They were mad, they were massive. But then it just turned. It just turned in on itself and it went. It went bad. [00:04:29] Speaker C: They got into. Well, they changed direction of what they'll do and they started importing cheap electronic consumable products. And then they got into a bit of trouble with one of the phone companies where they were saying not. Not doing the correct thing by the phone company. [00:04:47] Speaker B: Yeah, I sort of remember that. And they were everywhere. They were, they were. They were like the Crazy John. Crazy Johnsy Melbourne. Selling phones, selling bits. [00:04:56] Speaker C: Crazy John. John Hilhan used to work for Strathfield Car Radio. [00:04:59] Speaker B: That's right. [00:05:00] Speaker C: He worked for Brunswick, at Brunswick in. [00:05:03] Speaker B: Brunswick Store on the corner there of Sydney. [00:05:05] Speaker C: That's correct. And he brought that building. [00:05:08] Speaker B: That was. That was his first Crazy Johns. [00:05:11] Speaker C: That was. That was his second because the first one was across the road and yeah, he was. He was a very smart fella. [00:05:19] Speaker B: He was. He was. He was sadly passed. [00:05:24] Speaker B: Walking. I think he was walking in Albert park and he had a heart attack. [00:05:29] Speaker C: Yeah. The wife took over and she sold out to Optus. [00:05:32] Speaker B: Yeah. So that's great. So. So we talked about the biggest names of car radio and things like that. So that, that was Great in the day. What brands? [00:05:45] Speaker B: So where do you. So the brands of car radios that you fix, do you fix across the field or is there a specialty? [00:05:54] Speaker C: Pretty much across the field. There are a couple of models that I won't touch. [00:05:58] Speaker B: Yep. [00:05:58] Speaker C: Like brands of Aster, Awa and we're talking 60s, 50s, 40s, 30s. [00:06:05] Speaker B: Yep. [00:06:05] Speaker C: Radio Mobile, Motorola, Filco, Delco, all the US stuff. Becca, the old Beckers and Phillips out of, out of Europe. [00:06:17] Speaker B: Yep. [00:06:17] Speaker C: Smith's Radio Mobile out of uk. I repair a lot of those. Come forward to Australia. We have AWA Asta, which is also known as Air Chief. [00:06:30] Speaker C: Clarion, which AWA moved into Clarion Pioneer, big name back in the 70s, 80s and into 90s. Still a reasonable name. Now Alpine, I don't see many off. They are just that reliable. They, they very rarely fail. [00:06:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I had an Alpine, I had an Alpine that I got from Gary's and it lasts. And it lasted 20 or nearly 20, 26 years. [00:06:57] Speaker C: Yes, the product is just that good. And all those Pioneer back in the day, awa, Clarion, Sony and what else do we have? Alpine, Sony, Clarion, Pioneer or all made in Japan. [00:07:13] Speaker B: What about Voxon? [00:07:16] Speaker C: Voxon? Voxon was another interesting brand. Now Voxon originally started in the late mid late 60s with the eight track player in the, in the Fiat and the Ferraris. [00:07:27] Speaker B: Yep. [00:07:28] Speaker C: And I have fixed a couple of those and, and there's a couple of those I can't fix due to spare. Specific spare parts. [00:07:36] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:07:36] Speaker C: And then an Australian fellow took over the Voxon name. Yeah. And he ported all his stuff from one of the companies in Southeast Asia and it was, yeah, look, it was good inexpensive product that, that got, that was marketed very well. [00:07:53] Speaker B: He was, he was good. I mean I, I remember Mario as a party from Jaeger Chemicals. He introduced me to him at a lunch at Ricardo's in Albert park when I was a head chef and we met him in China and you know, he was a great guy and he was in Oakley and he was designing whatever he was designing here in Australia and then getting it made over there, which is, oh, 25 years ago, which is probably before the, the major company started doing that. [00:08:24] Speaker C: So Fox, Fox at Fox on. Or that fella, I can't think of his bloody name either. Sorry. [00:08:30] Speaker B: You're nice. [00:08:31] Speaker C: He's, yeah, he, he was, he was one of the first companies, as you say, to get stuff designed in Australia and built overseas. [00:08:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I met him like, I met him like half a dozen times. Mario. He was, he was keen on sponsoring my race car yeah, he was, he was, he was keen. Mario was sponsoring from. But that's. Yeah, that's another story for another time. [00:08:55] Speaker C: But that was, that would have been. So mid-70s, late-70s, he started to get very big. [00:09:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:02] Speaker C: And in the 80s it sort of tapered down a bit. Yeah. I don't know what happened, but yeah, they sort of just dropped off. [00:09:10] Speaker B: Yeah, he. I sort of met him probably. [00:09:15] Speaker B: Late 80s, early 90s, and he was starting to get into other things, other gadgets. [00:09:23] Speaker C: Because he was building that. He had his final building that I remember before he moved to Queensland, was in Teala Road, Essendon. [00:09:31] Speaker B: That's right. [00:09:31] Speaker C: That built. That building's still there. [00:09:33] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:09:35] Speaker C: If it's not certified by the National Trust, the historic National Trust, it wouldn't be far off. It. [00:09:40] Speaker B: True, true. It's a great old building that. Where do you find all the bits and pieces required to restore and maintain all these. All these radios. [00:09:51] Speaker C: Yeah. Generic parts are available pretty much anyway. Like good quality parts I bring in. Good quality generic components I bring in from Belgium. [00:10:01] Speaker B: Yep. [00:10:02] Speaker C: Fill a five kilo bag and we're talking 350 bucks in freight. [00:10:06] Speaker B: Yep. [00:10:06] Speaker C: Air freighted. And I can buy parts from local electronic stores. Yeah, they're okay, but they're just not up to spec to what I really want. [00:10:15] Speaker B: Yep. [00:10:16] Speaker C: And so that's generic parts like your resistors, capacitors, some transistors, the specific transistors for radios and valves virtually worldwide. [00:10:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:28] Speaker C: And a lot was coming out of Ukraine before Mr. Putin decided to fix that up. [00:10:33] Speaker B: Yeah, well, he, he fixed the pot. He. He sort of destroyed a lot of lives and things and stuff like that. So that's still going, you know, who knows when that's ever going to end. [00:10:43] Speaker C: If, if I have to get any parts made. Like I've had little. I've had flywheels made for radios and volume shafts, tuning shafts. [00:10:54] Speaker C: It's doing sort of 10 pieces. It's not a cheap exercise, but the final product is very good. [00:11:01] Speaker B: What about 3D printing? These parts that you can't get and. [00:11:05] Speaker C: The plastic 3D printing I find not. Not good enough. And the other thing is these old radios are either brass. [00:11:13] Speaker B: Yep. [00:11:13] Speaker C: Cast alloy or stainless steel. Like the. Let's call it the tuning shaft parts of the tuning mechanism. Mechanism. So people go, well, hang on. Our cars are pretty much back to original. We want these radios to look back to original. [00:11:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:27] Speaker C: So I've got to go down that road and like. Knobs I can't. Knobs I can't get. They've got to Be made. And people, a lot of the Jeep, the genuine, real McCoy, people that restored their cars won't use repo knobs. They'll just say, yeah, we'll put them on as soon as we get original ones. They're getting a flick. [00:11:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I suppose. [00:11:51] Speaker C: I've looked at. I've looked at making diecast of knobs, but the market, for me, the market's not big enough. [00:11:58] Speaker B: Tell you what, there's a company in the northern suburbs. They 3D print steel and aluminum. [00:12:07] Speaker C: Yeah. I'd have to. I'd have to look at that. [00:12:09] Speaker B: That is. They've done some fantastic things for me. They've made some absolute pearlers. And you can. And you cannot tell the difference between. The only. The only way you can tell the difference is the weight. [00:12:24] Speaker C: The white. [00:12:24] Speaker B: Yeah. The aluminium. So aluminum is cheaper to print than metal. [00:12:32] Speaker B: And it's just so, so good. [00:12:36] Speaker C: So I'll have to look at that because these, these 3D printed knobs. Yeah, they look great, but they're just not genuine. [00:12:46] Speaker B: We'll have a chat later. I'll put you on. I'll put you on to the boys because they've just done sensational things for me. And if you go to the old man's, he'll show you some of the bits that they've made for me in the past. So what's the oldest car radio that you've restored fixed, brought back to life? [00:13:07] Speaker C: Well, there's been a couple. One was a. What have we got? The was a 1937 Cadillac radio. Yep, that was. That was a bit of a dis. I very close to writing that off. The fellow that sent it to me didn't box it up very well and a lot of things got damaged. [00:13:24] Speaker B: Yep. [00:13:24] Speaker C: But we got. I got it going. And. [00:13:28] Speaker C: The val. One of the valves were a size of a 300 mil Coke bottle. [00:13:31] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:33] Speaker C: And that was to work because that got smashed. So to work out what that valve was. And the circuit diagram was. I had. Was so grainy. But I worked it out and then it went that the other One was a 1935 Rolls Royce Phantom. And I repaired the passenger radio for a. For the Rolls Royce restorer in Melbourne. [00:13:55] Speaker B: Okay. [00:13:57] Speaker C: That was. Yeah, that was. It did a radio the other day. 1941, 6 volt Oldsmobile. [00:14:06] Speaker B: Well, some of those. Some of those. Some of those restorations are fantastic. Without. Without putting them in. Like, like, like you've got. Yeah. You spend all that money on your car and then your pride, of place, other than the steering wheel and the dash is is the radio so that it's got to work. It's going to be supreme. [00:14:23] Speaker C: You know the sound of these valve radios. Yeah. We all back in the back 20 years ago, 30 years ago, we had stereos with big sound systems in cars. They sounded good. These valve radios sound so soft and so mellow. They are brilliant. They are just the downside of the valve radio. You turn it on like the old valve TVs. They take a couple of minutes to warm up. [00:14:47] Speaker B: Oh yeah. [00:14:49] Speaker A: And. [00:14:49] Speaker C: But the sound on them is. It is excellent. [00:14:52] Speaker B: I know we have a. We have an early AWA actually predates AWA because the AWA building was in South Melbourne and that got burnt down. That was. There was a Jewish auction, Jewish fire sale and that got burnt down. And this was one of the last pieces of. It's a radio radiogram that would have. [00:15:16] Speaker C: Been in search sturt straight. [00:15:18] Speaker B: Yep. [00:15:18] Speaker C: Yeah, definitely the old Asta building. Ester House. [00:15:21] Speaker B: That's right. That when that got put. So this was the last radiogram that was produced in Asta House and I had it restored for Rebecca and mate. It is fantastic. The sound is unbelievable and we love playing 45s on it. And the radio is. Is massive Mickey Mouse. It's. It's just so. So crisp and. [00:15:46] Speaker C: And. And the reception, like back in those days we didn't have computers so we didn't have a lot of electronic noise coming up. Your power lines. [00:15:53] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:54] Speaker C: The old radiogram you were talking about. Car radio could pick up interstate radio stations without a problem. [00:15:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:00] Speaker C: And. And the. What you call it, the RF gain in the front end of these valve radios is just sensational. It's like someone stuck a V8 in the front of the front of the radio. Well, just gave it so much reception power. [00:16:14] Speaker B: Yeah. So. And go on. [00:16:18] Speaker C: Hey, the. The latest stuff, like the newest things I'm repairing around 2,000. Yeah, the reception's good, but it's. But it's not a valve radio. [00:16:27] Speaker B: No, of course not. What else do you fix? Do you fix microphones and speakers or are they just too far? [00:16:32] Speaker C: 2 speakers speakers I send out to a couple of speaker repairers. [00:16:36] Speaker B: Yep. [00:16:37] Speaker C: There's one guy in Western Australia that does specific size speakers. [00:16:41] Speaker B: Yep. [00:16:41] Speaker C: There's a couple of guys in Melbourne, one in Sydney and there was a fellow in Tassie that depending on what day you can get him, he's really good. [00:16:50] Speaker B: Yep. [00:16:51] Speaker C: But yeah, I just send them out. Microphones. Microphones? No, I don't do microphones. [00:16:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Cool. [00:16:56] Speaker C: And the occasional electric aerial. I'll try and repair if I've got all the parts. [00:17:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:02] Speaker C: There's guy with a Cadillac size of a, I think two battle tanks put together. [00:17:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:17:08] Speaker C: And he had all these bits for this aerial he got. He goes make it work. Once I'd worked that out, that was, that was interesting. But yeah, that was good. But yeah, it's when I was doing repair, the occasional car amplifier. But only the old things, not the newer ones. [00:17:26] Speaker B: Yes. [00:17:27] Speaker C: And cd, CD stacker. CD players. Repaired a cd, a Clarion CD player out of a Alpha. And the model number of this was nothing like anything like I've got probably 20,000 service manuals. [00:17:44] Speaker B: Yep. [00:17:44] Speaker D: And. [00:17:45] Speaker C: And this thing, I had nothing like it. Except the CD mech was a generic Clarion CD mic. So yeah, once I worked out what, what was wrong, followed the circuit back on the main board and worked out the power supply was faulty. [00:17:59] Speaker B: Okay. [00:17:59] Speaker C: And that's out of a. A Alpha 159 Twin Spark. [00:18:04] Speaker B: Oh, nice. [00:18:06] Speaker C: So that's what 20, 25, 25 year old car. [00:18:11] Speaker B: 25 year old do you have? Are you doing all this yourself, are you? [00:18:15] Speaker C: Yeah, pretty. Pretty much taught myself. But in saying that the guy that taught me I go back in nursing and car radios days. [00:18:23] Speaker B: Yep. [00:18:23] Speaker C: The fellow that sort of taught me a lot. [00:18:25] Speaker D: A lot of it. [00:18:25] Speaker C: I'm still good mates with him. [00:18:28] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:18:28] Speaker C: If he's semi retired and I get stuck on a couple of radios and he'll. I'll just ring him up and he'll say check this, check that. He said, oh bugger, just drop it off to me. [00:18:39] Speaker B: Okay, fantastic. [00:18:40] Speaker C: And he'll fix it. Like I'd be thinking about things and I'd just be going, okay, I've got voltage and sound here, I've got voltage and sound there. But I've got nothing over here. It doesn't make sense. I've changed all the parts in that area. [00:18:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:18:55] Speaker C: And I'll give it, give it the Terry, I'll get it back. And I said, what did you change? He said look for, look further forward and then go back four steps. [00:19:04] Speaker B: Yes. [00:19:05] Speaker C: And there's two, two parts that I didn't change. That was in the last. That was in a AWA out of a XW Falcon. [00:19:13] Speaker B: Okay. [00:19:14] Speaker C: I changed everything but these two parts. [00:19:16] Speaker B: Okay. So you're just about there, but not so much because you, you're putting so much thought into it. Have you got an apprentice? How like, you know, I mean we, we look at our longevity as a person on this planet, you know. Have you got anybody, Is there anybody coming up is, have you got. [00:19:38] Speaker C: I have, sadly, along with the younger generation these days. Look at this. And they go, it's all rubbish. Well, maybe old rubbish, but you think about what these cars are, what you, what's going on? They don't know. It's not any old rubbish, sadly. People of the younger generation, let's call them from 15 to 25. [00:20:01] Speaker B: Yep. [00:20:02] Speaker C: Want to sit in front of computers all day, they're not interested in getting their hands dirty. It's pretty sad. [00:20:09] Speaker B: It's, it's, it's an indictment on society. And I suppose when we were in Melbourne and we were doing some shopping and stuff like that. [00:20:19] Speaker B: Rebecca was selling some, some, some records and we were in Collingwood and I go, oh yeah, this place looks familiar. I couldn't work it out in my head. And then we walked into this, this massive area and there was tons of, of milk crates of records and there was say 100 people in the place with armfuls of vinyl. I, I could not believe what I was saying. And they're all kids. There was nobody older than 25. [00:20:48] Speaker C: And I'm thinking, that is fantastic. [00:20:50] Speaker B: And I thought, I've been in this room before, I couldn't work it out. And the guy's looking, he goes, mate, he's had the orange hair and you know, the tie dye T shirt. And he goes, mate, can I help you? You know, what are you looking for? I said, mate, I was in this room but I can't work out what it was. And he goes, oh, this is the old Collingwood Tech building and it's the woodwork room. [00:21:08] Speaker C: Bloody hell. [00:21:09] Speaker B: And he goes to me, you were here? I gone, yeah, back in the 80s, it was a tough, rough Collingwood Tech and they had records and they had old record players. And I'm thinking, wow. What? I sort of said to myself, I think, okay, half these kids wouldn't even survive a day at Collingwood Tech. [00:21:33] Speaker C: The sad thing is, a couple of years ago I had a. One of my retired trucking customer and he brought around a Honda and they had no sound out of the radio. [00:21:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:45] Speaker C: Car had blown speakers. Video his son in the back and said, no. His son goes, no, no, the radio's naked. And, and the fellow turned around and said to me, he said, look, my son's just finished an electronics degree on online. Yeah, there's the first bad mistake. It's online. [00:22:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:00] Speaker C: You've got no interaction with the, with any Electra. [00:22:03] Speaker B: Yes. [00:22:05] Speaker C: And you've got no one filled any. And, and sure enough, the speakers were playing. I changed one Got talking to the son, I said, there's a Phillips head screwdriver you can change. You can pull that apart. You've watched me do this. This door. You can do that door. You look the screwdriver. And he goes, what I do with this? [00:22:21] Speaker B: Yeah. It's an indictment on society that. [00:22:23] Speaker C: Yeah. If you can't fault for. I said to him, I said this, we need to fault finding the car first. [00:22:27] Speaker B: Yep. [00:22:28] Speaker C: Then we work out what it is. But knowing those Hondas, they all blue speakers. [00:22:32] Speaker B: True. [00:22:33] Speaker C: And. And here he goes, oh, I am. And he said to me, he goes off because what else do you fix? And at the time, I had a valve radio out of a. I think a Triumph. Triumph. Not a Spitfire. I can't think of a little triumph. [00:22:48] Speaker B: Yeah. TR4. My flowers. [00:22:50] Speaker C: No. Mayflower. [00:22:51] Speaker B: Yep. [00:22:52] Speaker C: On my bench valve radio, six valves in it. Radio made in Australia. And I said, there's a circuit diagram. You can have a crack at fixing this. And he looked at me and he goes, I've got no idea, mate. And this guy had had a degree in electronics. [00:23:09] Speaker B: Yes. [00:23:10] Speaker C: And I said, if you want to be. I said to his dad, I said, if I can teach him. If he wants to learn. But he wasn't interested. [00:23:16] Speaker B: Yeah. Indictment. Indictment on society. Now, use. In an earlier question, you came out that some of the parts are smashed. How do you like a radio packed to be sent to you? [00:23:32] Speaker C: Okay. [00:23:32] Speaker B: Because I know you're pretty specific. [00:23:34] Speaker C: I'm very specific on these. And I tell people this. That's a shaft radio with the shaft either side back in the 60s and 70s and early 80s before flat fronted ones. So don't need the knobs, I don't need the fascia plates or any in the shaft nuts. Push two blocks of polystyrene over the shafts, put a bit of polystyrene over the nose cone, wrap it up in heaps of bubble wrap and put in a nice box. [00:24:01] Speaker C: And as I say to these people, if you can drop it off the roof of your house, you know it'll survive. It's packed up properly. [00:24:06] Speaker B: Yes. [00:24:07] Speaker C: I get the occasional person where a guy sent me a Commodore fee. Oh, V N V P. A very rare Eurovox Commodore radio. [00:24:17] Speaker B: Yes. [00:24:18] Speaker C: Wrapped it up in two bits of newspaper, the box was broken and the radio had the front right corner taken off and rang him up. He said, oh, no, packaging is too much. I said, we'll go find another radio. I couldn't fix it. Wrote it off. [00:24:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:24:35] Speaker C: And I'm just going, yeah. So I'm very Specific. If it's a valve radio. [00:24:40] Speaker C: Yeah. Okay. The. The freight is going to cost you a lot of money because of the weight of them. [00:24:44] Speaker B: Yep. [00:24:45] Speaker C: However, it's your radio. I go back to that one that was sent to me from Country Victoria. That one out of the 37 Cadillac. [00:24:55] Speaker B: Yes. [00:24:56] Speaker C: That was wrapped up in a couple of bits of rag. [00:25:00] Speaker C: And it was just. The speaker was floating around inside it because it all broke. All the, broke all the mounting lugs, smashed valves and smashed and bent the chassis. I don't know. And he said no. He goes, I box it up properly. I said, what, two bits of rag? And he goes, yeah. [00:25:19] Speaker C: And it came from Seymour to Kilo. [00:25:23] Speaker B: Wow. [00:25:24] Speaker C: And I just go, yeah, it's just. That was the one we had to chase, work out what the velvet saw. But yeah, I was disappointed in that. I had another one radio sent to me that 1941, the. [00:25:39] Speaker C: Oldsmobile. The radio was the size of, let's call it 22224. Four toasters put together. [00:25:50] Speaker B: Yes. [00:25:51] Speaker C: Weighed about 1012 kilos. And. And the box was about the size of a milk crate. That was fantastic. I really. And that went back that way too. It was packed in foam. Polystyrene foam. Like a high density compression foam. [00:26:06] Speaker B: Yes. [00:26:06] Speaker C: Bubble wrap. Yeah. I'll say now that the freight from Pillow to. [00:26:16] Speaker C: Mid Southern Queensland, nearly 100 bucks. But that radio will get there in one piece. [00:26:21] Speaker B: Yeah, but it's cheap. I mean, you can't buy this stuff. You can't repair it. You can't replace it. [00:26:27] Speaker C: Can't replace it. [00:26:28] Speaker B: You can't. You can't go to, you know, I don't know, there's not many car radio places in Melbourne. But you can't even go and buy something five years ago, let alone something that's 60, 70, 80 years old. [00:26:43] Speaker C: You can't buy it. You can't buy it in that radio. The lids were, were brass. [00:26:48] Speaker B: Yep. [00:26:50] Speaker C: And I just looked at the workmanship in those things and it looked like it had been hand pressed. Not. Not. [00:26:57] Speaker C: Mass manufactured. [00:26:59] Speaker B: Yes. [00:26:59] Speaker C: It looked like the corners of it have been hit with a ball pen hammer. [00:27:02] Speaker B: Okay. [00:27:04] Speaker C: Because they're all. They weren't. None of them was. None of those corners were consistent. [00:27:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:27:09] Speaker C: And it was on both the top and bottom lid. And then the chassis that held the output and the power supply transformer. [00:27:16] Speaker B: Okay. [00:27:17] Speaker C: That was probably. [00:27:19] Speaker C: An eighth of an inch thick, which is what, 3 millimeters thick. Steel and, and bent. And it was brilliant. [00:27:26] Speaker B: Well, yeah. [00:27:28] Speaker C: Package it. Packaging is one thing I tell these people. [00:27:32] Speaker C: And at the end of the day. I'll say, well, it's your radio. Yeah, I had a radio sent to me the other day out of a, out of a Subaru something. Am, FM radio sent me in a tissue box. Literally in a tissue box. And that was it. Yeah, it's. Luckily it survived. It's not going back to the customer like that. [00:27:54] Speaker B: Yeah, no idea. Some people. [00:27:57] Speaker B: What'S the average wait time and repair time on a radio? Because if you're a one man band, you're not, you're not pushing them out. So you've actually got, there's a, there's a wait time, there's a repair time. Is it just. Is the repair on? [00:28:15] Speaker C: You know, I say to a customer, you drop it off to me, it's sort of four to six weeks before I look at it. [00:28:21] Speaker B: Yep. [00:28:22] Speaker C: And then it might be, it might be ready in one or two days. [00:28:26] Speaker B: Yes. [00:28:27] Speaker C: I might have to order specific parts for it or get parts made and that'll take who knows how long. But the average, the average thing is sort of six to six to eight weeks maximum. [00:28:38] Speaker B: Yes. [00:28:40] Speaker C: Max. But yeah, I just, I still stopped working Sundays a while ago and it's pushed me back a little bit. That's life. [00:28:47] Speaker B: Yeah, you need to sort of, you need to look after yourself. And plus you're the only person that I know that does this business. And I tried tracking down the guy in WA and I, I came against so many, so many. [00:29:01] Speaker C: Yeah, there's a guy in WA that repairs specific radios. We're talking late 60s, early 70s, Holden, Ford and Valiant. [00:29:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:09] Speaker C: And he'll only do it part time. He's semi retired. I am. And I know, I know that, fellas, I know Kevin very well. [00:29:16] Speaker B: Yeah, I tried, I tried ringing Kevin because he obviously gave me his number and he was extremely hard to get onto. So. [00:29:23] Speaker C: Yeah, because he's certainly, he's living the life now of looking after his, his bloody grandkids. Out and about with his grandkids, he said, and he said, I missed out on my kids, so I'm making it up with my grandkids. [00:29:35] Speaker B: That's fair enough. You know, I mean, life, life is precious. And you know, when you've got somebody, you need to look after and nurture that older person to get your stuff done. And, you know, that's what it's all about. [00:29:52] Speaker C: So there's a fellow, fellow who's just retired down in southeastern Melbourne suburbs. He was only doing specific work. [00:30:00] Speaker C: He rang me up, he said, oh, do you want to buy all this? I'm Retiring. [00:30:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:04] Speaker C: And he was only late 70s but his eyesight was failing too. I later found out his eyesight was going. [00:30:09] Speaker B: Yeah, that's probably the, the biggest thing when your eyesight goes. [00:30:15] Speaker B: You know, forget about it. It's sort of even, even in all sorts of things when you're, you've got, you could do, you know, sort of you've got to get your cataracts done and things like that, you know. [00:30:25] Speaker C: Yeah. He was another fellow that I, I worked in conjunction with like people down that side of town go, oh, they'd be down, we want someone closer. I said come and see Colin. [00:30:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:30:37] Speaker C: And that's what they did. [00:30:39] Speaker B: Yeah, it's, it's. [00:30:40] Speaker C: He retired last, late last year. [00:30:43] Speaker B: Yeah. All these, all these, all these guys, you know, I mean there's so many of them that have passed on, retired, you know. There was a guy just fixing Huel and gearboxes and he's, he's not doing it anymore. He's in his 90s, you know and there's really nobody else, you know, so. So. Yeah, so. [00:31:06] Speaker B: How do we get in contact with you, mate? If somebody out there in radio land. [00:31:11] Speaker C: Wants their somebody like a radio fix. Oh, there's several ways you can ring beyond I428-535245. Monday to Friday. [00:31:21] Speaker C: And between 9 and 6. Or you can look at www.oldcarradiosfixed.com which is pretty basic website. Most of my work comes from word of mouth so I don't care about the website. Yes, well I do care but I don't kind of thing or the other one's on the old car radio fixed Facebook page. [00:31:42] Speaker B: Yes, some great, some great content there. Some. Some great old radios that you've fixed and they're playing and they're crystal clear and it's just great. [00:31:53] Speaker C: Yes. Yeah, it's. That's. That's better way of doing it then my car or this car. Stereo repairs. Sorry, caraudiorepairs.com is another one of my web pages. [00:32:05] Speaker B: Yes. [00:32:06] Speaker C: And there's a car stereo repairs Facebook page as well, which is mine. [00:32:11] Speaker B: Yep. [00:32:12] Speaker C: Which is, which has come in handy for guys over in Indonesia who send me work. Okay guys, South Africa. Ex. Ex. Aussies send me work out of South Africa. [00:32:23] Speaker B: Yeah. And there'd be a lot of, you know, Holden's. There'd be a lot of Falcons that went to South Africa that were exported. [00:32:32] Speaker C: Yeah. Eurovox is out of Range Rovers. Yeah, I was getting that. There's an ex. There's a guy that travels between Sydney and, And London and he brings back a radio. [00:32:47] Speaker B: Okay. [00:32:48] Speaker C: And the last one I repaired for him was a Smith's radio Mobile out of a, out of a positive earth Jaguar. [00:32:54] Speaker B: Wow. [00:32:55] Speaker C: And I said. And he said oh, I'm here for a month. And he said. And he literally bluntly said to me, he said that radio will be ready in three weeks. [00:33:05] Speaker C: That was last year. Yeah, I did it. [00:33:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:08] Speaker C: And but he brings me, he might bring me two or three radios a year. [00:33:12] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:14] Speaker C: And part there a couple. I've probably only seen one radio out of us Aussie expat. [00:33:20] Speaker B: Yes. [00:33:21] Speaker C: But the cost of freight. [00:33:25] Speaker C: The cost of freight and this is going back pre covered. The cost of freight was a killer. [00:33:30] Speaker B: It's horrendous. It's. There's no, there's no short thing to, to warn you or warn any, anybody listing the cost of freight to America is horrendous. [00:33:43] Speaker C: Cost of freight to America. This is pre covered. And I was using. [00:33:49] Speaker C: Dhl. [00:33:50] Speaker B: Yes. [00:33:51] Speaker C: And firstly they gave me a, an in between of sea freight and air freight price. And, and the radios went air freight. They were really good to deal with. [00:34:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:04] Speaker C: And before I went up the next size box that cost almost tripled in price. [00:34:09] Speaker B: Yes. [00:34:11] Speaker C: But yeah, so there's a lot. I get radios out of New Zealand. Quite a lot. [00:34:16] Speaker B: Yeah. It's, it's pretty like the freight, the like the freight out of New Zealand's pretty good. I mean I just got some stuff out of New Zealand like a few weeks ago. [00:34:27] Speaker B: Excuse me. And it was a week and vice versa was a little bit longer from Melbourne to New Zealand and we've had some, some parts from Italy to Melbourne or Perth. [00:34:44] Speaker B: Very quickly which surprised me where it would take the same amount of time for the parts to leave Perth to get to Melbourne. Traveled from Austria to Melbourne in half the time. [00:34:59] Speaker C: That bag of parts I buy 5 kilo bag I get out of Belgium. [00:35:03] Speaker B: Yes. [00:35:03] Speaker C: So I put in the order before 3 o' clock in the afternoon, Eastern Australia time. [00:35:09] Speaker B: Yes. [00:35:11] Speaker C: On a Sunday. I'll have the parts here Wednesday morning. [00:35:15] Speaker B: It's fantastic. It's fantastic what the Europeans can do. [00:35:18] Speaker C: Yeah. It's 350 Aussie dollars for that 5, 5 kilo bag and that bag is stuffed with parts. [00:35:25] Speaker B: Yeah, I know we've, we've, we had some parts from, from Austria scent and some parts from Italy sent at two different times but they arrived on the same day which I was pretty, pretty stunned about. [00:35:41] Speaker C: So you get past sent from, sent from one side of, let's call it Melbourne to the other. [00:35:48] Speaker C: Yeah, I think you're better off to go and pick it up. [00:35:52] Speaker B: So true Mark. So true. And. [00:35:57] Speaker B: Coming to the end of the interviews but tell us a bit what you're doing, a quick snippet of what you're doing in two weeks time. [00:36:06] Speaker C: In two weeks time. Okay. The first, second and third of August is Winton Festival of Speed at Winton in Victoria, not Queensland. [00:36:14] Speaker D: Yes. [00:36:14] Speaker C: And I'm involved with historic sports and ants as a competitor and also I am part promotions and deal with the media and it's quite good. So yeah if there's 21 of his cars running at Winton in. In with. In with vhro. Yes, we've got some pretty famous cars there. [00:36:35] Speaker B: Yeah, there's some great cars. There's some great cars. [00:36:38] Speaker C: Brian Thompson, ex Brian Thompson Peter Fowler Mercedes with. With the six liter Chev in it. [00:36:43] Speaker B: Yes. [00:36:44] Speaker C: The recreation of the Volkswagen Chev fastback. [00:36:47] Speaker B: Yes. [00:36:50] Speaker C: This is only sort of ex Clem Smith Charger. [00:36:54] Speaker B: That's awesome. [00:36:56] Speaker C: That is quick. And the fellow that drives it isn't slow either. We've got an interesting thing up there is the reportedly the first sponsored car from super cheap is the Bill Cavette Bevin Edmonds driven 13B Turbo Anglia. Yes. [00:37:15] Speaker B: Ford Anglia, that's who. That's a good looking car that. [00:37:18] Speaker C: Yeah. So that's reportedly the first super cheap car sponsorship sponsored car and it did have ties with Ellery and Steve Allery on a. On a ride day. [00:37:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:37:34] Speaker C: Restored his Bob Thor is a super cheap fella. [00:37:37] Speaker B: That's right. [00:37:38] Speaker C: Peter Hillman has restored the Buick V8 powered Hillman Imp. [00:37:44] Speaker B: That, that was a tough car in its day. [00:37:46] Speaker C: Yeah there was, there was a few of them. This is. I'm not sure where this car was originally from. [00:37:52] Speaker B: Yeah, that was from Sydney. [00:37:54] Speaker C: Ex Charlie Milner HB Tirana with a 6 liter chevron. [00:37:59] Speaker B: Yeah, some awesome cars there. Our old mate Mr. Ernie Corey. Hopefully he's Ernie Corey. [00:38:07] Speaker C: He's driving a HP Toronto with a mid mount 202 in it. [00:38:12] Speaker B: Yeah, my old mate Ernie. [00:38:14] Speaker C: Yeah I'm in the ex Dave Hunter Challenge Motors LC Toronto which is 308 powered. [00:38:19] Speaker B: Yep. [00:38:20] Speaker C: Which is the engine will be in that car next weekend. Just had a rebuild after I broke across crank in Tassie a couple of years ago. [00:38:28] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So we've got some awesome cars. We've got some awesome cars. [00:38:31] Speaker C: The. The interesting one is Kim De Brit is driving the FX Turbo. So the FX Holden. FX Turbo FX Holden. Now that car is a. The one of the South. South American. It was one of the Rally cars from South America. They built that specifically and that that car was there. But yeah, there's 21 historic sports sedans up there. [00:38:54] Speaker B: Okay, that's, that's awesome. [00:38:56] Speaker C: Tony Hubbard has rebuilt his, his a 9X Tirana sports sedan. [00:39:00] Speaker B: Yeah. It's a good car. Some. Some mighty. Some mighty cars. I mean, I mean you know, you look at. [00:39:07] Speaker B: Just the historic sports design series travels around Australia. They have around. [00:39:15] Speaker C: April in April, Winter, August and what we got this year, I'm looking at my. Looking at the calendar now. Queensland at Morgan park in 17 to 19th of October. [00:39:24] Speaker B: Yep. [00:39:25] Speaker C: And the final round of the John McCormick series is Sydney Motorsport park from the 28th to the 30th of November. [00:39:34] Speaker B: You guys travel the country in the past. You've gone to Sandown, you've gone to. [00:39:37] Speaker C: Baskerville in Tesla Baskerville in 2023. [00:39:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:39:42] Speaker C: I mean seriously good fun. Not good fun for me, but because. [00:39:45] Speaker B: I broke two cars. I know. Yeah. Even Ernie had a. Had a bad day. [00:39:49] Speaker C: Broke a car. Peter Fowler broke a car. Volkswagen, he had a. A fuel line rupture. [00:39:55] Speaker B: Yep. [00:39:56] Speaker C: And which. But yeah, we still had the. I tell you, the hospitality of the Baskerville people. Like they had a grid walk. So they towed our three broken cars. [00:40:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:07] Speaker C: Out onto the grid for us and then they. And with all the other sports at Ants and I opened the gates for the spectators for. For half an hour. [00:40:17] Speaker B: Fantastic. [00:40:17] Speaker C: That is, that is fantastic. We're looking at going back there in 2027. [00:40:23] Speaker B: The Tasmanians do a great job. Even Adrian Wilson with the early Falcon nationals there. They're doing a sensational job. And on that note, must appreciate Mark Sully coming on talking about the restoration preservation of all car radios. Mate. Thank you very much. We're gonna, we're gonna play some songs for Mark and the first one we've got turn up your radio by the Masters Apprentices Wired for Soundcliffe Richard eight days a week by the Beatles. [00:40:57] Speaker C: I used to work almost eight days a week. [00:41:00] Speaker B: Do we all. Thank you Mark. Have a great day. [00:41:03] Speaker C: Hey, thank you Darren and thank you listeners. [00:41:05] Speaker B: Thank you, mate. [00:41:07] Speaker A: The best music from the 60s to today. IPL radio. [00:41:12] Speaker B: Well, that was great talking to Mark Sully and the old radios repaired. Fantastic having Mark on. It's great. Sports sedan. Loves his sports sedans so And I through Octopus Grip. So Octavus Grip is a tire softener that we sell to anybody who wants to soften their old race tires. We. We give some product to Mark and they give it away as. As prizes to the sports sedan. Competitors. So have a look at Octopus Grip on the website. It's a great Australian product made here in Australia, sold for Australians by Australians and. Yeah. So have a look at the website, have a look at the retailers and we'll go from there. Next on the line is Mr. Craig Dooley and Craig has just purchased the Rubber Connection. The Rubber Connection has a rich history. [00:42:13] Speaker B: Having started by a guy called Barry Johnson back in the day at least 35 years ago, who was a member of the Compact Fairline Car Owners Club, and he started bringing in door rubbers and kits for compact fairlanes. I asked him back in the early 90s, he hadn't bought any stuff for falcons and he started bringing stuff for falcons. And I was probably the first to buy from, from Barry in the day and I. I'd probably have to say that the door rubbers that I've put on my car, all the, all the. All of the Dennis Carpenter products that are on my car have been on there a minimum of 30 years. There's only. We replaced the rear screen with a little bit of a paint job that we did and we purchased a new. A new rear window rubber and it went in. The old one came out great, the new one went in perfectly. So we'd been talking to Craig on and off. We heard that the Rubber Connection was closing and then it was being sold. So the best way to have a chat to a new owner is to have him on the radio. And there's been a lot of enthusiasts around the country. The different car clubs have been sort of. There's a lot of people going to be listening to this interview. And because it was all that. The Rubber Connection is closing, but the Rubber connection is reopened. Mr. Craig Dooley, how are you, my friend? [00:43:43] Speaker D: I'm very good, thanks, Darren. Thank you for contacting me, mate. [00:43:47] Speaker B: It was just one of those things. We sort of. We always recommend Dennis Karp to products. I've never had an issue with a Dennis Carpenter product ever. And we've been. We've always talked up the Dennis Carpenter name brand. [00:44:07] Speaker B: So who is Craig Dooley and how did Craig Dooley acquire the Rubber Connection? [00:44:13] Speaker D: Oh, who am I? I used to buy the products off Heather and Jeff and Barry originally back in Nunna warding days. And I'm an early Falcon guy too. [00:44:26] Speaker D: But, yeah, painter by trade. So I've used a lot of their products over the years. And when we heard it was going to close down in February of this year, it was just right timing for us to be able to purchase the business Yep. So it just made sense to be able to continue on that. It's just been a great business for a lot of people around the country, just dealing with that 1940s through to 1970s vehicles, especially the US stuff. There's not too many places that do it. [00:44:59] Speaker B: Yeah. And sort of back in the day, there was. Oh, geez. I mean, there was a guy called Mario as a party. He was in Sydney and he was selling. He was selling the rubber connection parts. Dad and I drove to Newcastle for an early Falcon. Early Falcon display. And we, we. I'd bought some things off him and he goes, mate, he goes, I'm getting out. I'm selling. And this is back in 91, 92. And he sold to Wine Whiting in Canberra. Okay. And then I thought, all right, is there somebody in Melbourne? He goes, oh, there's a guy in Melbourne, but he does compact fairlane stuff. He doesn't do it. So I got hold of Barry and he. His wife Chris. And Barry was a teacher at one of the tafes, and he was. He was living in Mitchum, and it was all in plastic containers. Yeah, it was pretty. It was pretty. It was pretty. It was pretty cool. So my, My history is going back to Barry back in the day. That's how long even, you know, I mean, there was only two guys in Australia selling Dennis Carpenter products. Yeah, I don't know of any. I've heard that Subaru here in Perth is stocking him also, but I'm not sure what. What happens these days. I know there was supposed to be only two, but that's obviously changed over. Over the years. And I did actually have a chat to Dennis Carpenter back in the day. So that was a pretty interesting conversation. [00:46:26] Speaker D: Yeah, that would have been a very interesting conversation. [00:46:28] Speaker B: Yeah. Because he was. He was old then, so I think he probably would have passed by now. But yeah, he was, he was. He was pretty. He was pretty chuffed because even Barry Wool by. I was buying parts from him because I couldn't get parts here in Australia. And now you can just about get nearly everything for an early Falcon. [00:46:49] Speaker D: Yeah, it's pretty. The cataloging is quite good. Some. Most of the American stuff does cross over to the Australian stuff. Yes, obviously we've got some stuff that's quite unique to us here. The. As we all know, it's harder to find parts, but yeah, a lot of the stuff does. Does cross over, which is. Which is good. And I'm trying to learn all the part numbering system and how it works and what they call it in America compared to what we know it as here. Yeah, that, that's been the biggest learning curve for me. A lot of history. My background is automotive bearings and power transmission stuff. [00:47:21] Speaker B: Yes. [00:47:21] Speaker D: So I was doing that for like 25 years and while still painting on the side. But yeah, so it's very similar business wise, the bearing industry and spare parts. It's. They go sort of hand in hand. [00:47:34] Speaker B: Yes. [00:47:35] Speaker D: So that part I haven't. I've just sort of jumped straight back into. But it's there trying to figure out what they call it, what we would know it as. [00:47:42] Speaker B: Ah, the trunk seal. Yeah, it's the trunk. [00:47:46] Speaker D: It's the trunk seal instead of antennas and just, just these little nuances. So when you're trying to look at. In the computer. Computer and because obviously taking over the business, I just. We got everything. So everything that was part of the business, computers and everything, it just all come over with it. [00:48:00] Speaker B: Yes. [00:48:01] Speaker D: So out. [00:48:04] Speaker D: When you're trying to type a part number in, if you don't actually get the words correct, you can't find it in the computer. Sometimes it's quicker for me just to walk over to the shelf and pick it up and go, oh, that's a part number. And that's what they call it. So that's been. That's been the fun part of it. Trying to figure out what. What it's actually going to be called and where it's going to. Yeah, where it's going to be on my shelf. Because we had to move everything from the original place in Dandenong, which was there for 17 years. [00:48:29] Speaker B: Yes. [00:48:30] Speaker D: Prior to. Not a warning, of course. Yeah. So it was 17 years of history to just lift everything up and then move it over to the new premises in Moorabbin and. Yeah, just trying to do the same footprint, what they had going there. And it's been. Been good. [00:48:46] Speaker B: Yeah, it's been great. Like, I mean, you know, I've bought a couple of things recently from, from Heather. Haven't bought anything from you as such in the. In the past few months. But I mean, you know, you could get everything and anything from carpenters. [00:49:03] Speaker D: Yep. [00:49:04] Speaker B: And not only just early Falcon, but, you know, they call it a Comet, you know, 63 Comet, 64 Comet. So 64 Comets, really an XP. You know, the trunk seal, the roof rail, rubbers, all the nuances, all the bits and pieces, you know, and there's other companies that, that do sell that sort of stuff, but now there's. I'm finding there's like the clips, the Bolts. There's, there's a lot of other companies now that have filled the void other than Carpenters, which are. Companies are very good. [00:49:35] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:49:36] Speaker B: You know, it's just one of those things. So what's so good about the Dennis Carpenter product? [00:49:45] Speaker D: Well, I can't wait to go over there next year, which is obviously on, on a bucket list to do. Yeah. But obviously just, just taking on the business. I want to pretty much hit the ground running first and get to know how it's all working here before I head over there. [00:49:58] Speaker B: Yes. [00:49:59] Speaker D: But as far as their, their products, they just, they're superiorly made in America. Like their rubbers, their corners, like you're saying before about putting a windscreen in, you know it's going to fit. [00:50:10] Speaker B: Yep. [00:50:11] Speaker D: And it's going to fit well. I have no idea what the, the formula of the rubber is, but it's not too hard, not too soft. It does last very well. So it's obviously quite UV stable for a rubber. So it doesn't seem to split and crack like a lot of the other stuff will. [00:50:29] Speaker B: No, it doesn't. I mean, I suppose more my, my stuff and I sort of, in saying that it's been on the car for over 30 years. Yeah, it's as good today as it was when dad and I put it in. [00:50:46] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:50:46] Speaker B: And even the conversation we had a few days ago about, you know, clearances and stuff like that. Yes. Some tooling might have changed over the years, but it's, it's generally, it's just, it's just a superior product. I mean, you know, God help us when the day that they sort of decide that, you know, they're not going to make anything anymore and it's going to be ex China, you know. But hopefully, yeah, they don't do that. Yeah, hopefully they don't do that. But there has been some mutterings of that in the, in the past, in the future, in the present. So sort of, you know, I sort of haven't seen it myself, but there. [00:51:27] Speaker D: Are some, there is some Taiwanese stuff that I've noticed that comes in from Dennis Carpenter labels on it and it will say made in Taiwan. I haven't seen any rubbers that say made in China. Yeah, there is, there is products that they get made in China, so door handles and stuff like that. Yes, they get made the same way, obviously what they used to, but they just. Maybe it's too expensive for them to do it in the us I'm not sure. But the quality seems to be still there. It doesn't Feel like a flimsy door handle. [00:51:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:51:58] Speaker D: And the threads all are nice and clean and they actually go in and they fit, which is half the battle. [00:52:03] Speaker B: Half the time, I suppose. You know, I mean, all these parts, you know, I mean what, what drew me originally to, to carpenters was that they use the original Ford molds. They use the original Ford tooling. [00:52:20] Speaker D: There's a lot of products still today that use the original forward tooling. [00:52:22] Speaker B: Yeah. And, and he was a, he was a master because he bought everything. [00:52:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:52:28] Speaker B: He was either given it or never got the full story how he got it. [00:52:33] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:52:34] Speaker B: But you know, because I, I was looking for early Falcon parts here in Melbourne back in the 90s and I found a lot of tooling at one stage. [00:52:44] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:52:45] Speaker B: And it was under my nose and I said to the guy, he goes, I remember you. I said, yeah, I remember you too. I didn't even know that you guys had all this stuff. And he goes, yeah, Ford still owns it, Darren. I can't, I can't sell it to you. I can't let you use it, but yeah, I've got it all. And. [00:53:05] Speaker B: I was just amazed. And. [00:53:09] Speaker B: I spoke to the late Adrian Ryan. I said, mate, what about all the. He goes, where'd you find that? I said, just locally. I said, it was there. It was, it's been under my own. I've driven past that shop for, for 20 years. Yeah. And it was there. It was Dolphin Products in Murray Road, Preston. The old Nissan Hut on the railway. Really? On the railway line in Preston. It's still there, the Nissan Hut. Dolphin Products don't do that anymore. They do hospital sterilizing bits and pieces and liquid injection bits and pieces owned by a doctor these days. Yeah. But originally it was, it was a die cast bit. They made dies and patterns for Ford only back in the, back in the 60s and 70s and he had heaps of stuff and I used to go to Preston Tech and you know, he had a heap of stuff and he said to me, he goes, he goes, I know who you are. You know who I am. And I said, because he was, he was, he was on the committee of one of the schools and I had no idea. Dad worked for him back in the 50s, back in the 50s and 60s as an apprentice and. Yeah, as, as a, as, as a die maker. And this guy still had all the stuff all laid out in his, in his, in his little, little encaves in this Nissan Hut in Preston. Couldn't believe it, could not believe it. And all that's gone now. [00:54:38] Speaker D: Unfortunately, it does make you wonder if that stuff is still around and who's, you know, who's ended up with it or. Because we can make products just as good as anybody else in the world. Oh yeah, would be nice. I know we don't have the market for it here in the US Obviously do because of how many people they have in their country, which is why they can produce so many good old car parts which, you know, we've got access to, which is brilliant. But even importing stuff, as we all hear, who knows what's going to happen with these tariffs. [00:55:06] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. I was just looking, I was looking. [00:55:11] Speaker B: Interesting. What's going to happen with the tariffs. It's, it's more, it's more selling to the U.S. and coming out of the U.S. but then the freight's horrendous. [00:55:21] Speaker D: Oh, the freight's terrible. Because that's. I don't know if you know, but everything that we bring in is air freighted. [00:55:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:55:26] Speaker D: So we don't use sea freight. Everything's air freighted. And I'm trying to get used to that system as well. And maybe there might be little tweaks along the way, but my first order has left the US as of Monday, just gone. And that was 840 pounds in weight. [00:55:43] Speaker B: Yes. [00:55:44] Speaker D: And to get that air freighted here is about four and a half thousand dollars Australian. Well. [00:55:51] Speaker D: So it's quite a big lump sum. So last financial year when Heather and Jeff owned the business, the air freight bill for the year was $142,000 just in air freight. [00:56:03] Speaker B: That's astonishing. Yeah, it, it really is. But you know, maybe we can help you there with some contacts that we have with some freight out of the. [00:56:15] Speaker D: U.S. well, the freighters have been good and just depending on who you talk to. And obviously these guys have been dealing with the rubber connection now for probably about 17 years as far as airframe goes. And actually even Barry days they were using the same air freight company because they didn't see freight either. Everything was air freighted. [00:56:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:56:35] Speaker D: The dollar obviously changes that. [00:56:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. I remember buying some. Barry bought some clips for me for the top of my windscreen that I couldn't, I couldn't locate. I needed five. I couldn't locate them here in Australia. They wrecked a car in, in the States for me to get the five clips. [00:56:53] Speaker D: Oh, wow. [00:56:54] Speaker B: But now those clips are available. [00:56:59] Speaker B: Through a couple of other people. But I went to the extent of going to the people that made the clips for Ford in Richmond. They still had Every clip that they. [00:57:11] Speaker B: That they made for Ford, I asked Adrian Ryan to put a good word in and they opened some doors for me and they opened their parts infantry for everything that they made from Ford from 1960 to 1978, I think. And. [00:57:32] Speaker B: Those clips weren't in that inventory. So it must have been that those clips were ex usa. [00:57:38] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:57:40] Speaker B: Because they were the top of the coupe windscreens and those turrets came from the us. Yeah. [00:57:44] Speaker D: Okay. [00:57:45] Speaker B: So. So it makes it made more sense when they said to me, mate, we don't have anything that looks even remotely like that. I had like half a dozen guys looking for me one day. [00:57:55] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:57:55] Speaker B: And their boss goes to, mate. He goes, we've gone through everything, the years, because there were some numbers on. It wasn't even a number, so it had to be X usa. [00:58:04] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:58:05] Speaker B: So, yeah, pretty interesting. [00:58:08] Speaker B: So the rubber connections moved. Where have you moved to, Craig? [00:58:12] Speaker D: The address is 13 Nelson Street, Moorabbin. [00:58:15] Speaker B: Yep. [00:58:16] Speaker D: Yeah. So just still in the process of getting the shop set up. It's still trading. So we took over the business on 2nd of June. Officially, we shut for that week while we moved. And, yeah, so everything is in Nelson Street. It's just a matter of where. Where to find it. Half the time it's still in some boxes. I'm still trying to put stuff on shelves and have it displayed a little bit differently to where it was in Dandenong. Yeah. Just so I can make it my own, if that makes sense. [00:58:44] Speaker B: That's fair enough. [00:58:45] Speaker D: And yeah, get some more signage done. We're just. We're redoing the logo a little bit. I don't want to change too much. I want to. I want to keep the robot connection as it was and everyone knows it as. [00:58:56] Speaker B: Yes. [00:58:56] Speaker D: But just put a slightly modern twist to it just to suit myself. [00:59:00] Speaker B: Yeah, it's fair enough. That's. That's. That's always good to put in your. And you've had some problems with the abn nbn and you've had some phone problems. [00:59:08] Speaker D: NBN was supposed to be put on a month before I moved into the factory and we moved to the factory and it took three and a half weeks for it to get connected. So I was running off a mobile phone and hotspot to run my computers and printers and et cetera, et cetera. So if any time somebody rang me because we had the phone diverted, so still got the original phone numbers, that. That hasn't changed as well. [00:59:29] Speaker B: Yes. [00:59:30] Speaker D: So if anybody rang me, it just rang my mobile. But if I was on the mobile, it made out that we were must be closed because it said it disconnected. [00:59:40] Speaker B: Okay. [00:59:41] Speaker D: So we had a lot of people ringing thinking that was actually shut, when it wasn't actually shut down, it was just because there was somebody on the phone. [00:59:48] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah, look, I mean, it's. It's terrible. I know what the NBN have done to people that I know in Melbourne and people I know who have done here in Perth. So it's really not. It's really not surprising, unfortunately. [01:00:03] Speaker D: And it's frustrating because you're trying to explain to the people on the phone who aren't the people that deal with you when they come out. So you've got three different people you speak with and left hand doesn't talk to the right hand, so no one really knows what's going on. Which was. It was quite frustrating. And to have, like, newly. This is my first business also, like, I've worked in many companies and been corporate for a long time, but having my own business, I didn't want that extra as well. It was hard enough to understand how the process was working and then to throw in no phones, no Internet, people thinking, we're closed. Email was still working. So I could get email through, obviously through the hotspot, through the computers. [01:00:42] Speaker B: Yes. [01:00:43] Speaker D: And that was. That helped. So I could respond to a lot of people through email. But there was a lot of people that thought, oh, there must be closed. And, yeah, the whispers started that will close down where we weren't. [01:00:55] Speaker B: And that's another reason why I got you on today. And we turned, we turned this show into a restoration show. [01:01:04] Speaker B: Because I'd heard, I'd heard the whispers, I'd heard the, oh, man, I can't get hold of them, they're closed. I went, well, no, not really. And then I rang you up and we went through and introduced myself and gone, oh, a guy from WA is talking to come and talk to me about the business because I think fundamentally. [01:01:23] Speaker B: It'S an iconic business. [01:01:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:01:26] Speaker B: A lot of early Falcons compact fairlanes in Australia have been restored with the Rubber Connection products. [01:01:33] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:01:34] Speaker B: A lot of people from. [01:01:38] Speaker B: From all over Australia have used the Dennis Carpenter products. And. [01:01:45] Speaker B: When the story started to get out to say, oh, nothing's happening, they're closing xyz, I thought that's not completely right. And the best thing to do was to get you on board and have a chat and, and see, see where it's going. So obviously you're just starting up. You've been in there a couple, few weeks. What's the plans for the Rubber connection, you go into the swap meets. I know you're a hot rod. There's a couple of mutual friends that we've got. [01:02:11] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:02:11] Speaker B: So where are you. Where are you taking. Because I know that the. The Rubber Connection, they did have a stand at the Bendigo swap meet. [01:02:20] Speaker D: Yep. That's still going to stay the same. Okay, so we'll still do the Bendigo swap mate. Because that was. I think everybody remembers going into those sheds that were. Well, actually, most people come nationally as well to come to the Bendigo one, because it's quite a large swap mate. [01:02:33] Speaker B: Yes. [01:02:34] Speaker D: And in the big sheds, it's always been in that same spot for a long time. So it'll still be in that same spot. [01:02:39] Speaker B: Well, it's not really. It's not really one of the big sheds. It's really in a shed on its own. On its own. But you've got the most awesomeness. [01:02:53] Speaker B: People next to you. So the people next to you, I've known them nearly all my life. [01:03:00] Speaker D: Oh, really? [01:03:00] Speaker B: And Charlie. And Charlie. Charlie. Ciao. And his brother. [01:03:08] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:03:08] Speaker B: Charlie's got. [01:03:10] Speaker D: That's the trimmers. Yeah. [01:03:12] Speaker B: No, no, no, no. These are just car guys. [01:03:17] Speaker D: Oh. [01:03:18] Speaker B: I haven't seen it for a long time, but the last time we're at Bendigo swap meet, they were there and they are. They share that. They share that space with you. Okay. So. Yeah. [01:03:32] Speaker B: Yeah, no, Charlie is a trimmer. Cnn. Trimming in sunshine. [01:03:36] Speaker D: Yep. [01:03:36] Speaker B: Now, this is Charlie and his brother, and they've got a Mustang. They make wheel spats. They do a lot of customizing. They do a lot of. They're a great family. Philip, his nephew, they sell model cars. They are the salt of the earth people. I've known them for a long time. And Charlie's car is. And he hasn't driven it for some time, but. [01:04:04] Speaker B: It'S a wild blue Mustang with the number plates Sabiha, which in Maltese means she's beautiful. [01:04:11] Speaker C: So. [01:04:12] Speaker B: So, yeah, I know. And his. His brother's got a compact Fairlane and they use Carpenter products. But these two guys, I've known them all my life and they are. They are the best. [01:04:25] Speaker D: I'll have to reach out to them, too. [01:04:26] Speaker B: Yeah, well, they're right next to you, so. [01:04:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:04:30] Speaker B: Just tell them, you know Darren Chanter. Darren. Darren's moved from Melbourne to Perth and, yeah, they'll go. Knew his uncle, knew his cousin, knew his father, knew his other cousin, knew his other cousin. So. Yeah. So that's awesome. So. Yeah. So. So. So. So you're Going to be at the Bendigo swap meet. That's later in the year. That's later in the year, in November. So pop in, have a chat to Craig. [01:04:55] Speaker B: We'll put the numbers of the. The numbers and the address on the Facebook page. Talking talk with some other bits and pieces. Also Mark's number for, for old car radios repaired, fixed. [01:05:11] Speaker B: And so where else? So you're gonna. So your vision of the rubber connection. What are you. Are there any. I know it's early days. Is there any long term plans? [01:05:25] Speaker D: Long term plans? Not at this Long term plan is. Is to keep it exactly how it was. Yes, it worked. I don't think there's any, any reason to really change the formula. Maybe some more consumable products. [01:05:39] Speaker B: Yes. [01:05:39] Speaker D: As far as, you know, your Loctites, your Permatex is that kind of thing, which is kind of my background. [01:05:44] Speaker B: Yes. [01:05:45] Speaker D: If you're pulling something apart and you're putting it back together kind of. I don't want to be like a one stop shop, but it'd be nice to have those things on hand. [01:05:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Not. [01:05:53] Speaker D: Not just for a value add, but more so. Okay. You've got it apart anyway. And put some anti seize back on your, on your threads before you start doing things back up or. Yeah. Gasket material, things like that. [01:06:07] Speaker D: So that's. At this stage I, I haven't thought much further past that. [01:06:11] Speaker B: Yep. [01:06:12] Speaker D: Obviously I do want to increase the stock levels. They had very good stock levels prior to announcing they were closing. [01:06:18] Speaker B: Yes. [01:06:18] Speaker D: And then once they announced our closing, I think everybody from around the country rang and ordered everything for probably two cars. So the stock levels got absolutely demolished pretty quickly. So my focus at the moment in the next sort of six months is bringing in more stock every month just to get the stock levels back up to where they should be. So when people ring up for a rubber, it's. It's there. [01:06:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:06:44] Speaker D: That's. That's all I'm sort of focusing on at the moment. And then from there just hopefully just to keep expanding, keep adding some products. I know the F100 stuff in the Bronco is they're getting very, very popular at the moment and we're seeing a lot of people ringing out and putting back orders through for, for F F trucks like especially that 61 to 66 seems to be where they're at. [01:07:09] Speaker B: Yes. They're very, very desirable these days. [01:07:12] Speaker D: Yeah. So that's very readily available in the states. Yeah. The mid-50s, your 60s and even some of your 70s stuff. But yeah. So just stick with the core products that we've always been known for. [01:07:26] Speaker B: Yes. [01:07:27] Speaker D: And just add some extra vehicles as far as here. Always done the F trucks up to 96 apparently didn't stock a lot of the F truck stuff, but that's something I'll be definitely looking in at increasing because early days it used to do a lot of Mustang bits and pieces, but. [01:07:45] Speaker D: With the. Obviously other companies around Australia have been doing the Mustang stuff quite well. I also want to stay in my lane. I don't want to compete with other people. I think we've. There's enough to go around for everybody and if we all did our thing and did it well and all play nice, I think it's good. [01:08:03] Speaker B: Yeah. I think like the Robo connection was always known for compact Fairlane. [01:08:10] Speaker B: Early Falcon. [01:08:11] Speaker D: Early Falcon, compact Fairland and your. Your custom line stuff. [01:08:15] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. That was its core. That's the core. Those three models are the core. And then I suppose I remember Barry saying, he goes, oh, what about these F trucks? You know, I got bits and pieces in for people I don't know. I've got the core. My core is the compact Fairlane, the early Falcon now and, and some Caso and. Yeah. So let's. That's fantastic. It's fantastic to have Craig on to. To talk about the iconic business and where he's taking it, because restoring cars, it's not cheap, you know, you know, the carpenter stuff's going to fit. You know, there might be the odd issue, but that's, that's, that's a production fault or there's something going on there. But, and, and it'd be great to get that, get the. Because every. I know a lot of people ask what, what glue can I stick the rubbers on? What do I need here, what do I need there? And people are going, oh, CBC bearings for this, all that. But it's be great to have everything in one, one place, you know, so that's. So that's, that's a really cool initiative that you're going to do. [01:09:21] Speaker D: Yeah. And it sort of makes sense. And obviously with the, the glues and stuff, we can't airbag though, so most of that'll have to be all F. Road freight. [01:09:28] Speaker B: Yep. [01:09:30] Speaker D: But yeah, I think adding that and being competitive with that, it just makes, it does make sense from my perspective because if I go into a shop, I'd like to get most of the product while I'm there. [01:09:42] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. [01:09:43] Speaker D: As long as it's competitive, you don't want to spend twice as much on Something. [01:09:47] Speaker D: But yeah, so that's my background, so hopefully I can add. Add a few things like that. So you'll see that straight. As soon as I get it in stock, it'll be straight on the website as well. [01:09:55] Speaker B: That's awesome. And you've got your Facebook page going. And the Facebook page looks. Looks pretty. Looks pretty nifty. [01:10:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:10:02] Speaker D: I'm trying to just. Yeah. Keep it so people know what's going on. Which is why I was posting up about the phone's not working. [01:10:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:10] Speaker D: Because if people were, as we all know, as car people, we're always either on Marketplace or Facebook looking at something. If they seen it was like, oh, look, they are open, but they're having trouble. That's why I can't get through. [01:10:22] Speaker D: That's the only way I could sort of think about. [01:10:24] Speaker B: That's. [01:10:24] Speaker D: That's notifying. [01:10:25] Speaker B: It's. It's. It's. It's a great. [01:10:29] Speaker B: It's a great thing you're doing. Because I know there's another company that sells gt, GT stuff in the northern suburbs. [01:10:35] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:10:35] Speaker B: And they've gone quiet all of a sudden, which is. Which is a bit strange. And saw a post from them just recently. They were. They're working through some things and Neil Thompson owned that business. He started that business many, many, many years ago. And Neil passed away, unfortunately, a number of years ago, and that business was sold and the people that bought it tried very hard to keep it going and they've kept it going. And it'd be great for them to also. [01:11:13] Speaker B: Make some posts about, hey, what's going on? Because I know there's a lot of people buying. Have bought stuff or stuff's in limbo and things like that. So that's great. [01:11:22] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:11:22] Speaker B: So, mate. [01:11:23] Speaker D: Yeah, communication's good. You need. That's the key, isn't it? [01:11:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:27] Speaker D: Communicate as best you can so people know what's going on. [01:11:30] Speaker B: Yeah, you need the communication. No, communication means. [01:11:35] Speaker B: Chinese whispers. Chinese whispers leads to places closing that. That don't need to close or they're not closed. And, you know, it's just. It's just that part. But this. Now the clubs. The clubs have great Facebook pages. And, you know, everybody. Everybody is. [01:11:54] Speaker B: Grateful that you've taken over the rubber or somebody has taken over. You've taken over the rubber connection. But, you know, there was a lot of fear there for a little bit. [01:12:06] Speaker D: Yep. [01:12:07] Speaker B: Because I didn't know what was going on and everybody just bought everything. [01:12:10] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:12:11] Speaker B: It's probably good for them because I don't think they. They Thought it through. I don't think they thought it through that they should have maybe, you know, had it for sale because it wasn't. [01:12:22] Speaker D: Well, they actually had it for sale for a couple of years. [01:12:27] Speaker D: But they just couldn't find the. The right buyer, I'm assuming because I did hear about it a couple of years ago, it was for sale. [01:12:34] Speaker D: And I think just. Just Jeff and Heather were ready to maybe retire or do something different. Been doing it for a long time, but then it got to a point where it was, yeah, obviously very hard. [01:12:47] Speaker D: In the work environment that they had. And yeah, obviously with. With Jeff, he hasn't been well. [01:12:53] Speaker B: Yep. [01:12:53] Speaker D: And yeah, so Heather was just like they had to make the choice. They couldn't keep going like that. So yeah, that kind of shocked me when they said they were going to close it because it was. Yeah. [01:13:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:04] Speaker D: Obviously that was the last ditch effort. Like they. They didn't want to. I know they didn't want to. [01:13:08] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:13:09] Speaker D: But they got to a point where they're just going to have to and then just. Yeah. Do whatever with the stock. [01:13:14] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. [01:13:15] Speaker D: I was just lucky enough that I was right place and it was good timing for me. [01:13:18] Speaker B: Yep. [01:13:20] Speaker D: To be able to take it over. And being a car. Car nut, I get to talk cars all day. And it's not like a job, really. [01:13:26] Speaker B: No, it's cool. No, it's not like a job. And that's. And that's probably one of the greatest things about having a love and a passion. [01:13:33] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:13:34] Speaker B: That you'll never work a day in your life, so to speak. But you'll end up. [01:13:39] Speaker D: Some days I feel like I got one footnote to the floor and run around the circle. [01:13:42] Speaker B: But yeah, no, it's cool. [01:13:43] Speaker D: But it's still cool. I just get to talk cast off and try and figure out what people want. So it's been. Has been fantastic. So I'm glad the opportunity come my way. [01:13:52] Speaker B: No worries. That's Craig Dooley, the new owner of the Rubber Connection. So I've got to thank Craig for coming on today. [01:14:00] Speaker B: And on short notice because we had another, I guess cancel and I rearranged my. My shows and having. Having Craig on to explain the Rubber Connection and where the Rubber Connection's going is. Is a. Is. Is a great thing for our. [01:14:20] Speaker B: Car club members all around the country to. To actually listen here because you don't actually hear from these guys unless you buy something. Even Mark. You never hear of from Mark Sully about radios. So I thought it was important that if you got your car do it once, do it right, don't skimp because it costs more in the long run. And. [01:14:48] Speaker B: Now we've got a couple of other words of advice for people restoring cars. But on that note, thank you to Craig Dooley. We're going to play some songs for Craig. [01:15:00] Speaker B: We're going to play the Living End and Some Loving Arms and some bits and pieces. So thank you very much Craig for coming on today on Talking Talk at IPL Radio Rockingham. Thank you, mate. [01:15:12] Speaker D: No, thank you very much Darren. Really appreciate your time. It's fantastic for people doing what, what you, you guys are doing and I really appreciate it. Thank you very much. [01:15:20] Speaker B: Thanks mate. Have a great day. [01:15:22] Speaker D: You too. Tada. [01:15:24] Speaker A: The best music from the 60s to today, IPL radio. [01:15:30] Speaker B: Well, that was another. [01:15:33] Speaker B: Great interview with Craig Dooley from the Rubber Connection. So. [01:15:40] Speaker B: That. [01:15:42] Speaker B: It'S been great. You know, we've had two people on that are passionate about their product and how they go about rebuilding their product. As far as. [01:15:56] Speaker B: Mark Sully with his radios, we've had Craig Dooley on talking about the Rubber Connection, how he took over the Rubber Connection. Some of the other things that, you know, we've sort of picked up over the past with people restoring cars and things like that and some of the tips that was going through my head. What I'm going to sort of talk about before we get on to our next interviewee is one, buy from reputable people. Don't buy off the Internet, don't buy off ebay because you can never get them on the phone and you can never get a response out of them. And if you buy the wrong product, you're stuck with it. Buy somebody who you can talk to. Buy somebody that you can go and feel it, see it, smell it, you know, there's plenty of reputable people out there that will sell by, will sell you parts and stand by the parts that they sell. That's the number one thing, reputable products. Two, never if somebody says they're going to do the job and it's going to be 45,000, don't give them 45,000, give them part payments and get photos and invoices of what they're doing. Because if they say, oh this is going to cost 45,000 windows up front, that's showing red flags to everybody. Not only a red flag to me, I've heard it many times, but should be a red flag to you because it's your hard earned money in your car, you know, don't you know, part payment, yes, progress payments, yes. But make sure these photos, make sure these invoices, I can't stress that enough. We've heard the horror stories. [01:17:44] Speaker B: And you know, those horror stories are terrible. People losing cars, people losing their hard earned money, people stealing parts. It's join a car club, go to car club meetings, talk to people. [01:18:01] Speaker B: Who have bought parts off these people. It's another reputable supplier. It's a reputable supplier and they're the ones that are in business and they're the ones that will stay in business. [01:18:15] Speaker B: They're the two main things. Third. [01:18:21] Speaker B: Try and buy local as much as you can. Yes, it's difficult, yes, it's hard. [01:18:29] Speaker B: But it's the only way that you're going to restore your car. If you rely on other people saying, oh, this mate and this mate, you know, buy off a reputable repairer, buy somebody who's registered by somebody. Buy off somebody who's registered. Buy off somebody who's insured. Buy off somebody who's got a name, a face, address and a presence, not only on the Internet, but a presence, a street. You know. [01:18:59] Speaker B: They'Re probably the three biggest things that we've heard that people don't do and they've suffered and they've lost their cars, they've lost marriages, they've lost because they've trusted people who they shouldn't have trusted. So we've all heard the stories. So it's. We've all heard the stories of people doing the wrong thing and they're the people that we shouldn't be dealing with. So that was our restoration program. That was a couple of hours of. [01:19:33] Speaker B: Talking about our restoration. Play some great music. Now on the line we've got our motorsport, our chief motorsport correspondent, that's what I call Mr. Corey Horder, our chief motorsport correspondent. And Corey and I have been talking about the. [01:19:54] Speaker B: Red Bull shenanigans of Christian Horner this week. Hey, mate, how are you today? [01:20:01] Speaker A: Yeah, not too bad. I don't mind that name. That's not a bad little, little thing to have on your resume. [01:20:07] Speaker B: Just thought about that. The chief motorsport correspondent for Talking Talk. [01:20:13] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, you hit the nail on the head with shenanigans, but I think it's just Red Bull in general. If you look at this year especially, it's been a very interesting. [01:20:28] Speaker A: Interesting week, reading some of the stuff. [01:20:31] Speaker B: Yeah, it's been, I suppose. [01:20:37] Speaker B: Surprised a lot of people say, oh, no, I never saw it coming. But. [01:20:45] Speaker B: It'S been coming for a couple of years. [01:20:48] Speaker B: Ever since Dietrich Messisich passed on the owner of Red Bull. [01:20:55] Speaker B: Ever since the Austrians Mark Medic and Oliver Oliver's took over, they believe that Christian Horner had too much power and was spreading himself very thinly. When they had Red Bull powertrains, they had the whole lot. You know, they every. He was there for 20 years. [01:21:24] Speaker B: And I think the Austrians. There was a power, there was a, there was a change in power where the ties. [01:21:34] Speaker B: Who actually Red Bull is a Thai drink and Dietrich Message bought into Red Bull and sort of. He was a, he was a, he was a. [01:21:47] Speaker B: A sewing machine salesman and met the guys from Red Bull and you know, and it was 51, 51 to the ties and 49 to Dietrich message. So that's where the power, that's where the power was. So this week has been unbelievable. Obviously all the rumblings from the Grand Prix. How do you take that, Corey? [01:22:14] Speaker A: Yeah, it was a bit interesting. Like it was a bit of a shock to see like the keeper guys I do sim racing with, we've got our own little chat group and one of them shared. [01:22:25] Speaker A: But Christian was gone and there was, there was talk of it last year with all the, the scandal thing he had going on and then sort of went quiet and then it's popped up and I'm like, oh wait. [01:22:36] Speaker C: I said to him, I'll wait until. [01:22:38] Speaker A: I see something in confirmation. And wasn't even 30 seconds after I sent that, I opened up Facebook and there it was. [01:22:46] Speaker B: Yeah, it's pretty, it's pretty interesting. I mean, you know, I suppose after the, the British Grand Prix. [01:22:57] Speaker B: The other, the other two people that got shown the door at Red Bull was the. [01:23:03] Speaker B: Was. It was the chief marketing officer and the information officer and the information officer had a bit of a argument with Mr. Jos Verstappen and it went, it went south from there and Christian backed up his man and two days later all three of them have departed Red Bull. [01:23:29] Speaker A: Yeah, it's, it's funny you say that though. Like you see all the stuff on socials where it's saying, oh, Max's old man's turnaround and said it's either Christian. [01:23:41] Speaker C: Goes or we go. [01:23:43] Speaker A: But then all weekend there's been posts up and I'm not saying that they're setting concrete or anything. They could be just the typical Netflix Netflix fan type approach where they're saying that Toto, head of Mercedes and Max are meeting up in some, some off some European island and to talk about the contracts and that. But if they've done, if these old man said, well get rid of Christian or where going, why are they still meeting outside with other team bosses. That's the bit I, I don't understand with that whole side of things. [01:24:21] Speaker B: But yeah, I still think there's a lot to go. I still think there's, is even. [01:24:29] Speaker B: Seeing some of the video that was taken at his departure. [01:24:37] Speaker B: The factories were behind Christian Horner. There is no doubt that the factories had not lost confidence in Christian Horner and he had not lost confidence in those workers 100%. [01:24:51] Speaker A: Look at, look at the success he's brought that, that team while being at. [01:24:55] Speaker C: The head of it. [01:24:56] Speaker A: I think they put something like there's eight drivers World Drivers Championships between Max and Seb. [01:25:03] Speaker B: Yes. [01:25:04] Speaker A: There's, I think, what is it, six Constructors Championships and. [01:25:09] Speaker A: Multiple race wins and podiums. [01:25:12] Speaker B: So there's 124 race wins, there's 107 pole positions, there's 287 podiums in 20 years. That is the only other person that you can actually draw conclusions to is Mr. Ron Dennis. Mr. Briefcase. Oh yeah, you know, just some of the, you can't even, you can't even, you know, you can't even put Ron Dennis. He's probably the king. I mean he's probably the king. You know, he was there from 81 until the 90s. [01:25:56] Speaker B: And yeah, you look at 198. [01:26:00] Speaker B: Yeah. Wins Senna 35 wins, 26 polls championships. Alan Prost 30 wins, 8 poles. Lewis Hamilton 21 wins, 11 polls. You know. [01:26:17] Speaker B: Hakkinen 20 wins, 10 poles. And it keeps going down the line. You know there's like an unbelievable, just, I mean if you can put Ron Dennis and Christian Horner. Yes, they're the two outstanding team principals of, of the last 40 years. [01:26:36] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely like there's. [01:26:39] Speaker A: Over that time, there's no one's even come close between them two. And no, like even, even the years that Red Bull wasn't. [01:26:48] Speaker A: They were playing second fiddle to Mercedes when Mercedes was the dominant one. [01:26:52] Speaker B: Yes. [01:26:52] Speaker A: They were still nipping on the heels of them, so they weren't exactly a slow team. [01:26:58] Speaker B: And you know he took, he took a, a second rate team with Jaguar. [01:27:06] Speaker B: You know, I mean he was, you know he had, he had the passion, he had the, the foresight. Remember he raced Formula 3000. He, he, he knew that he wasn't good enough and he stepped aside and he put somebody in that was better than him. And you know how the whole Red Bull, you know, Helmut Marko selling Christian a trailer for his Formula 3000 team and then him saying well I'm not really good enough and then Helm Marco let's have a chat because these guys want to buy a Formula one team. Who would ever think that a drinks company, Red Bull, would buy her Formula one team, be a constructor in their own right, have a, have a, have a factory, buy a second team. Alfie Alpha, which is now the other Red Bull junior team. [01:28:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it was. Wasn't that originally, like, it was Minardi? Well, oh, yeah, that one was Minardi. I kept thinking Red Bull itself was Minardi, but, yeah, the Toro. Rosso. Rosso. [01:28:13] Speaker B: Rosso was Minardi. [01:28:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:28:16] Speaker B: I mean, you know, and he bought. And he. When they were having the problems at, at Toro Rosso and, you know, he bought on Visa, he bought on that sponsorship, he changed the leadership. Merkels, who's now in charge of Red Bull, he found Merkel's from Ferrari. You know, the other guy came from Ferrari also. So it was the change of leadership. If it wasn't for Christian Horner, Red Bull would be absolute nowhere. [01:28:46] Speaker A: Oh, 100. [01:28:47] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's been pretty. [01:28:51] Speaker B: It'S been devastating for those team members because, you know, they've, they've all been paid this. You know, there's over a thousand people that work at Red Bull and they've got Red Bull, Red Bull powertrains. And, you know, a drinks company is actually now, you know, a leading constructor. And even though they, they won last year, they didn't win the constructors title. There is some. Something fundamentally wrong with that car. [01:29:18] Speaker B: Where only one driver can drive it. [01:29:21] Speaker B: I don't know about Yuki, I don't know about Liam Lawson. You know, I don't know what's wrong with that car fundamentally. It just looks like it, it doesn't want to turn in. It's, it's, it's high downforce. But Max can do. Is. Is just an amazing driver. [01:29:43] Speaker A: Yeah, Max is a freak. I think if you'd put him in a wheelbarrow and you'd put it up the front, like, I don't know if you've seen it. I think it was maybe two months ago, he done a weekend at the Nurburgring with his GT3 team under A, an alias name and he went out and he broke the GT3 track record. [01:30:03] Speaker B: And he, and he hadn't been like, he hadn't been in that car, you. [01:30:09] Speaker A: Know, I mean, the only things he'd done, like he has done testing in the GT3 car because the team. I'm pretty sure that team has multiple different manufacturer cars. Like, he owns different cars for it. So I know it's Spa. His team, they ran it as an Aston. [01:30:28] Speaker B: Yep. [01:30:29] Speaker A: But he hadn't driven on that, on that track physically, apart from on the simulator, you guys, that does five or six laps and smashes a track record. [01:30:42] Speaker B: The guys, the, the guy is a, the guy is a freak in more than one way because you know, his mother was a brilliant car driver. [01:30:55] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:30:56] Speaker B: You know, his mother was a fantastic car driver. His father. Yeah, his father's, you know, I mean there's many things that can be said about J. Joshua and he's not the easiest person to get along with. He's pretty hard edged, hard nosed. You know, he, he's not a, he's not a, he's not a nice person and sort of Christian is very also hard nosed. He, he's, he's been, he's been. I've heard stories of him being a difficult person to communicate with but in saying that. [01:31:35] Speaker B: Look where he, look where he's got. I mean, you know, he was the team principal of. They won eight world championships. You know, I suppose when, when, when Dietrich passed on, that was the start of the end for, for Christian. Unfortunately that was, that was, that was the start. And it's funny because Helmut Marco has not said boo or has not said much this past week and I'm. [01:32:05] Speaker A: Which is a shock because normally he's, he's got a fair bit to say even if it. When nine times out of ten it's the wrong thing to say. Like. Yeah, I'm surprised he hasn't opened his mouth yet and said something. [01:32:19] Speaker B: Well, I, I reckon, I think that he's the next one to go. [01:32:25] Speaker A: I, I think the same too. And I'm actually more thinking the point that it, it's, it's time for him. [01:32:33] Speaker B: Because yeah, he's been around a long time, you know. Remember RSM Marco has a 3 Formula 3000 team. You remember Craig Lounds drove for him. [01:32:44] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:32:45] Speaker A: And that's what, that's nearly 30 years ago now. [01:32:47] Speaker B: Yeah. And in the other car was Juan Pablo Montoya, which one car had all Holden sponsorship. The other car was, had no sponsorship. And we know, yeah, we know. We all know what happened, how Marco treated Craig. Yeah, and we've heard the stories and I've heard that it was all about. [01:33:08] Speaker A: Montoya and he had to find his own way and eventually he got his. I think some of the stories was he got his own back with a set of Montoya's golf club's got a bit, bit bent up and out of shape. [01:33:22] Speaker B: Yeah, we've been up and I Suppose, you know, they were living in Gratz and they didn't know the language and they got a couple of Aussie engineers to help him. And I remember Frank Lounge, I remember Franklin said to me, because I've got to get these bikes to Europe. What do you mean? He goes, well, Craig and Natalie haven't got transport, they haven't got a car, so they're not going anywhere, they're just walking. So he sent some. He went to Ripco and bought some bikes from Repco and send them to Craig and Natalie. [01:33:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:33:55] Speaker B: Which is, you know, that's a bizarre story in itself. [01:33:59] Speaker A: Yeah. So it's definitely. [01:34:02] Speaker A: It'd be hard to pack up. Well back then probably not as hard now with the way public transport matters over there. [01:34:09] Speaker B: There. [01:34:09] Speaker A: But back then I reckon it would have been pretty hard to. [01:34:14] Speaker A: To get around and everything. And I can't see the, the pay rate for being. Or being a paid driver over there would have been as that we'll say glorious is what it is now. [01:34:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I suppose, I suppose they were bringing all the money. [01:34:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:34:32] Speaker B: And there's, you know, there was always rumors that it was about 700000 Aussie back then. That's. [01:34:40] Speaker B: 1.5 or probably 1.6 million euros now. So it's not, it's not a. It's not a. It's not a cheap exercise to race in Europe. You know, we know people who have, who have tried to do that and you know that it just doesn't happen unless you go over there quite early, like Oscar and Oscar's dad and sort of meeting Mark Weber and the company. [01:35:11] Speaker A: But even there I'd hate to see the money they've. They've outlaid to get him to where he is. That, that'd be. [01:35:18] Speaker B: It. [01:35:21] Speaker B: Would run a small country, no doubt. No doubt it would run a small country for. For a few years, you know, I mean, but in saying that, you know, Christian. [01:35:38] Speaker B: I mean he's. He just signed a contract with Red Bull for another five years. So it's pretty interesting that he said that he's going to still be with the company now. The company from what I understand, and it was pointed out to me a couple of days ago that Red Bull, if they sacked him, the payout is over a hundred million pounds, which is. [01:36:08] Speaker A: Bloody affair, mate. I think what, what's the pound now? That's almost. [01:36:13] Speaker B: It's 55 cents. [01:36:16] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:36:16] Speaker B: So you're looking at, you know, 100. You're looking at maybe 180. 180 Aussie million. [01:36:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:36:24] Speaker B: Maybe rough estimate. You know, we just, we just throw our numbers. But, you know, it's a lot of money that these Austrians are going to have to come up with. And it's all. And I think it was all because of power. I think that they saw that he had, he had too much power. [01:36:43] Speaker B: Obviously Adrian Newey left Red Bull to go to retire or whatever he was going to do. And the late Eddie Jordan, he did that deal. That was the last big deal that Eddie Jordan did. Top racer, you know, smart man, intelligent. Uber intelligent. The man. And you know, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's decisive it really. They, I think they're thinking that, right. [01:37:16] Speaker B: He'S gone. We're going to rebuild. We've got the factory, we've got Ford next year. [01:37:23] Speaker B: Let's keep Max happy. [01:37:26] Speaker B: 100 million. Right. We're just going to sell $100 million worth of drinks. [01:37:31] Speaker B: But it was funny that the ties, I don't think they lost patience. I think what had happened was that the ties. [01:37:42] Speaker B: Because they owned the majority of Red Bull. [01:37:45] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:37:46] Speaker B: And they put a percentage of their business in a trust and it diluted their stake in Red Bull, so to speak. So the Austrians were the. Came out on top because obviously they had more voting rights. And the ties are under the, you know, and yellow sort of. They've done a great job over the years that. With a silent partner. They're the ones that made the money. That's where all Red Bull. That's all. That's where Red Bull drinks come from. Thailand. So that's it. Their biggest export market is, you know, the world. Because all you've just, you've just got. [01:38:29] Speaker A: To look at almost. [01:38:32] Speaker A: You could put your finger on any sport and I could almost guarantee that there would be an athlete in that chosen discipline of sport that has some form of backing by Red Bull. [01:38:46] Speaker B: Yep. [01:38:48] Speaker A: But there's. They've. They're making mega dollars off. Yeah, off Advertisement and, and everything just, just through the sport side of things. And then you get all the, the energy drink side of it and there's the money there. [01:39:04] Speaker B: Oh, you're looking at like all the promotions. You know, they sort of. They got burnt in NASCAR because they had their own team. They got burnt and so they've been out of NASCAR for a long while, aren't they? [01:39:23] Speaker B: With scg. [01:39:24] Speaker A: Yeah, he, he's that track. I think it's the track. He has team. They're back. And that team that he drives for. [01:39:30] Speaker B: Yeah. They're actually backing some drives which Is, which is. I always thought when Shane Van Ginsburban went to America, that Red Bull, you know, USA would actually back him because, you know, you've got to back the unbackable winner in road courses. [01:39:50] Speaker A: I think they're still backed him as a. A personal sponsor throughout since he's gone over. [01:39:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:39:58] Speaker A: Because I'm pretty sure he still carries the Red Bull hat on the helmet and everything. But I think this year they've stepped it up to the team as well. [01:40:06] Speaker B: Yeah, he, he. I think it was. I think it's, it's not the NASCAR effort. I'm pretty sure it's the Junior Motorsports Xfinity car. [01:40:19] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:40:20] Speaker B: Four or five rounds with the Weathertech sponsorship or the Wendy sponsorship because there's multiple sponsors on their cars in the States. It's not just, you know, like, we know in Australia, there's only Shell or vampire or whatever. So there's multiple, multiple entities on the cars. And you know, you, you never see an Australian Guy Racing Super 2 and on the same weekend running V8 Supercars. [01:40:47] Speaker A: And you know, no, it's, it's almost. I'm pretty sure it's, it's in the, even in the rules, like when the drivers step up to do the co driving thing at Bathurst, they're not allowed to race the Super Twos that weekend. [01:41:04] Speaker B: Yeah. We're in America. They can do what they want. Which is, I suppose it's, it's good. [01:41:10] Speaker B: But. Yeah, Van Guisburn's getting. He was getting smacked. He was getting smacked by Richard Petty. He was getting smacked by. You name it. Road course. Road Course xyz. [01:41:21] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:41:21] Speaker A: I have seen a few of them stand up and go, well, he shouldn't be in the playoffs thing because he's hopeless at ovals. [01:41:30] Speaker A: Good on road courses. [01:41:32] Speaker B: Yeah. But if you have a look, that's sort of been the past and whatever. But getting back to. [01:41:39] Speaker B: Getting back to Christian Horner, where, Where does he go now? What do you think in your thoughts, where do you think he's gonna go? [01:41:53] Speaker A: Well, at the time when it was announced, people were saying Ferrari and Ferrari's head guy hasn't been seen at a few race meetings recently. Yeah. [01:42:03] Speaker B: Yes. [01:42:03] Speaker A: There was pretty big rumors there, but I actually, I actually threw a curveball out. I commented on one post and I was just, just spitballing. I'm like, it's, I've got. There's no facts or anything behind it, but I'm like, well, here's a curveball. Knew he's at Aston Martin and he's now to build next year's car. [01:42:26] Speaker A: There's the rumors of Max leaving Red Bull. [01:42:29] Speaker D: Yep. [01:42:30] Speaker A: What about if Max does still leave Red Bull? Sadie's goes to Astonish. [01:42:37] Speaker B: Yep. [01:42:38] Speaker A: With Newey, Horner goes there as team principal. [01:42:42] Speaker B: Yes. [01:42:43] Speaker A: I'd be very surprised if Lance Stroll races. He's. You read some of the stuff. He's just got no interest in it. He's just there for the. The fanfare or to say I'm an F1 driver. [01:42:56] Speaker B: But if you did own an F1 team. Yeah. You drive. You. [01:43:00] Speaker A: Yeah, you got. So this is, this is a. Just a. [01:43:07] Speaker A: A possible scenario. [01:43:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:43:09] Speaker A: Alonzo and Max with Horner and Newey at the helm. That's a pretty cool combination. [01:43:15] Speaker B: Yeah, it's pretty interesting. [01:43:17] Speaker A: With Strolls old man's bank bankroll and. [01:43:19] Speaker B: The thing there's, well, the bankroll on this. He's spending a lot. He's spending so much money. [01:43:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:43:27] Speaker B: But in saying that also. So let's discount Ferrari. Ferrari's out of the picture. You can't see. You can't see Christian Horner selling up in England and moving everybody to beautiful Maranello. I can't say that happening. I don't think anybody. I don't think any of the pundits can see that happening. I know Peter Windsor said that's probably the. Yeah, it's not the. You know, I suppose. [01:44:00] Speaker B: You gotta, you gotta, you gotta say that, you know, Fred Vasseur. [01:44:05] Speaker B: You know, he's a great guy. Lewis is there and they just haven't gelled as such. But you know, Fred Vasseur was the team principal when Lewis was driving Formula 3. So, yeah, it's, it's, it's all an interesting. There's still a bit. There's still a lot more that. There's still a lot more to come out. Let's discount Ferrari. [01:44:35] Speaker B: You know, I reckon I've, I've heard Alpine. [01:44:42] Speaker B: I've heard Alpine and I don't know, I think. But being an owner, because remember the, the, the president of Renault, Luca de Mayo, resigned. [01:44:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:44:57] Speaker B: Flavio Britori is there and you know, Flavio, he's a criminal. [01:45:01] Speaker A: That's the name I was just trying to think of then. [01:45:03] Speaker B: I think Flavio is a criminal. Let's not, you know, the whole lot. [01:45:08] Speaker A: So I can't see him stepping aside. But unless he's forced. Forced out. [01:45:13] Speaker B: But if. [01:45:16] Speaker B: Christian Horner, if Renault, say, hey, if he takes some part ownership in the team. [01:45:28] Speaker B: He'S not in it for the money because he doesn't need the Money. Let's just go. It's close to. He's close to Endstone. [01:45:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:45:36] Speaker B: He's, he's. Where he lives. It's close to the team. [01:45:41] Speaker A: It's. [01:45:42] Speaker B: If he rebuilds Rena, if he builds Alpine, what he wants. Forget about Flavio. Flavio is an old, old Italian criminal. [01:45:53] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:45:54] Speaker B: It's like, I mean he, you know, so, you know. [01:46:00] Speaker B: In many aspects, you know, if all could mean that it all could come together. [01:46:10] Speaker A: It is, it is a possibility. Like I think outside of. [01:46:15] Speaker A: I think you can count out Ferrari, Mercedes and McLaren, I don't think there's no possible seat there. I think the only. [01:46:24] Speaker A: The only two possible seats outside of Aston, like is either Alpine or Cadillac. [01:46:34] Speaker D: There's. [01:46:35] Speaker A: I don't know who's running that program. [01:46:37] Speaker B: Yeah, that's, that's another interesting, that's another interesting thing. But I think. [01:46:45] Speaker B: I don't think it would, I don't think he'd be that interested in Cadillac. [01:46:52] Speaker A: I don't either. But when you're looking at the, the team's perspective, Alpine, Aston and Cadillac are probably the only three teams that. [01:47:03] Speaker C: You. [01:47:03] Speaker A: Could possibly see looking for. [01:47:07] Speaker A: Something like has have got what's his name, Komatsu and they're pretty happy with his position at the moment. Like he's brought that car forward. [01:47:18] Speaker A: McLaren, Ferrari, Red Bull and Race Bulls, they're not going anywhere where they're set up. [01:47:25] Speaker B: Your Williams aren't going anywhere because James Vowles is signed a new contract. [01:47:31] Speaker B: They're happy with him. So really it's really only those, those, those few teams. [01:47:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:47:38] Speaker B: But it was, it was a shock. It was a shock to everybody. Even, you know, you look at what Bernie Eccleston has said, you know, it's like. [01:47:50] Speaker B: Christian Horner murdered somebody. [01:47:52] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:47:53] Speaker A: You know, I mean did see a post about. I didn't read the post because some, some of the, the sports reports that you get up on Facebook and that you sort of just scroll through. I, it's just, just a second rate. The only ones I sort of take notice. Either the F1 page itself or Sky Sports, stuff like that. [01:48:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:48:17] Speaker A: But I did see the one about had a pretty blunt response. [01:48:20] Speaker B: Oh no, it was, it was pretty, pretty, pretty square. Pretty blunt. I mean I've been listening to. I like watching Peter Windsor. [01:48:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:48:32] Speaker B: I think sort of being an ex Aussie, he was there in the old days. He was there at Williams. He was, he was there and he was there and about like even in the 90s at McLaren and things like that. So I think some of the Things like some of the things that he said, you know, and I thought, oh yeah, that's. That's interesting. And you know, I thought, you know, maybe some of its part. Part true. I'm just waiting to see what Joe say. Would the F1 reporter says. Because I, I like Joe. I think Joe's very much. [01:49:15] Speaker B: He's the man. He's been around longer than, longer than everybody except probably Peter Windsor. [01:49:23] Speaker B: And his insights are fantastic. And I'm just waiting to see. I haven't, I haven't heard from Joe. I haven't. I haven't. He hasn't posted anything on his blog or his Facebook page or anything like that. So that would be interesting to see what, what he was. But it came out of the blue. It's not, it's not something that the, the Chinese Whispers was talking over the British Grand Prix. There was none of that. The only. [01:49:53] Speaker A: No, well, it sort of. There was stuff weeks ago about. [01:49:59] Speaker A: He was in the sack and then it all sort of went a bit quiet and. [01:50:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:50:07] Speaker A: And then it was the old. This weekend when Max put it on pole. Our Red Bull's back. They're going to start dominating. [01:50:13] Speaker B: Yeah, look, I mean. [01:50:17] Speaker B: You know the worst, the worst thing. They got one car, they got two cars and they said the same thing with Checo not giving any points. Sonoda, mate, what's going on? Pull your finger out. I mean, you know, you know Honda gave $10 million to Red Bull so you can drive. [01:50:38] Speaker B: Show us what you got, mate. You just. Oh. Looking at the simulator. But the simulator is rubbish. The simulator only simulates, you know, it only shows you the corners and you're in a corner like, you know, you do sim racing, you know. [01:50:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:50:52] Speaker B: Yeah. It can't, it can't help you unless you get. The worst thing is the, the best thing is bum time in a car. If you, if you can't get bum time in a car. [01:51:03] Speaker C: I, I agree. [01:51:04] Speaker A: But I also like, I've used it for this year for my own racing. [01:51:09] Speaker D: Yep. [01:51:10] Speaker A: And it's, it's helped me with getting the, the basics of the track. [01:51:15] Speaker B: Yes. [01:51:16] Speaker A: And. But my. Mine's only compared. Compared to like what the F1 boys have as a simulator is just. Is like a, a PlayStation compared to what they have. [01:51:26] Speaker B: Yeah, of course. I mean. Yeah, of course we have. [01:51:29] Speaker A: It's good for the basics. [01:51:30] Speaker B: Yes. [01:51:31] Speaker A: The only thing it misses is the what the cut. [01:51:34] Speaker C: Like. [01:51:36] Speaker A: Just driving by the seat of your pants feel when it steps out. Bumps and. [01:51:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:51:41] Speaker A: Stuff like the, the b. Yes, like. [01:51:45] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. I, I used, I used to, I used to, I used to love it. I, I mean I. The more time you get in the car, the better you'll be. Even if you just go around in circles at the hill climb or you just go on to practice at Winton or colder or whatever, the more, the more confident you get in the machinery that you've got, the better you will be as a driver. And yeah, sims are great and you know, I used to, I used to do a few things and you know, so I didn't have the money back then, but I just had the, I had the steering wheel, I had the pedals, the feel just, you know, just getting into your head what you're doing. [01:52:31] Speaker B: And that was before I even computed. I thought, oh, this, you know, I might try that or I might try this and you know, but the more I always believe when they stop testing and even Shane gives them will say this like anybody that you can't test, you're not going to get better. You, you just, it's just too hard to front up at a track. Do your Friday, do your Friday practice. The more time you get, the better you're going to be. [01:52:59] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:53:00] Speaker B: And sort of that's the, that's really the bottom line. I, I think and that's. I'm old school. I mean not even old school. I just, I just, I mean Greg saying to me, mate, the more time you get in the car, the better you're going to be. [01:53:16] Speaker A: Yeah, he, he has said that and he's like, there's been a couple times like we've gone. I think it was the second round of Calder. He let, he left early so they could. Him and the other guy were. Garage with could check into their, their hotel room early enough and I'm, I'm like, oh, well. He said, you want me to do the last run? I said I'm not. [01:53:39] Speaker C: Not. [01:53:40] Speaker A: Yes, do the last run. You got to learn the track. [01:53:45] Speaker A: It helped like I was, I was pretty buggered by the end of the day, but it was more seat time in the car and yeah, there's no. [01:53:55] Speaker B: There'S no, there's nothing more. There's, there's. You learn more in a car than in a sim. You just. [01:54:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:54:05] Speaker B: It's, it's just the other bumps to this, to that. [01:54:07] Speaker A: You know, I think using the sim has helped. Helped me a fair bit with a few things. But it's, it's not set up exactly the same. [01:54:16] Speaker B: No. [01:54:17] Speaker A: As my race car. Like I don't have on my sim. I haven't got. I've just got a basic. I think the only decent thing I've put on, it's a set of pedals. I haven't got a shifter. It's just paddle shift on the wheel. So it's not set up like the actual race car, but it's. It helps with getting the basics of the track and figuring out my lines and like they are this. The sims are getting better. Like the latest iracing updates. Apparently. I haven't updated mine but it's apparently been pretty good and a lot of the stuff are getting pretty spot on. If you've got all the. If you've got the best of everything. [01:54:51] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. And there are, there are people with the best of everything out there and. [01:54:58] Speaker B: Yeah, they just. [01:55:01] Speaker B: See how they go. So. [01:55:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:55:04] Speaker A: Well, that, it's. When you, you mentioned that the team, the drivers that drive for Max Verstappen's GT3 team. [01:55:13] Speaker B: Yes. [01:55:13] Speaker A: They're X sim races and they just. The spa 24 hour recently they won their class. [01:55:21] Speaker B: Yep. [01:55:23] Speaker A: So it does. But it does help running. [01:55:27] Speaker B: It does help the best of everything. So you've got to have the best. You're gonna have the best to be the best. And you've gotta, you know, to be the best, you've got to have everything. [01:55:35] Speaker A: And they're, they're getting there. Obviously everything's been supplied, will be supplied by the Max's sim sponsors and. [01:55:47] Speaker B: Well, it's Maxim, it's Maximus stepping. There's no, there's no, there's no compromise there. It's just, just buy the best. [01:55:56] Speaker A: Yeah, that's it. He's like, you want to drive for me, this is what you've got. [01:56:01] Speaker B: And I'll give you the. And I'll give you the best that. I'll give you the best that I can give you. But you need to perform and that's Formula one. You need to perform. And I don't think know Yuki's performing. I don't think I. [01:56:15] Speaker A: At the start of the year, I believed he should have been in that seat before Lawson. [01:56:19] Speaker B: Yep. [01:56:20] Speaker A: But now I'm thinking they should have stuck with either Checo or taken a pun on Ricardo. I don't think Lawson was ready for it and I definitely don't think Yuki was. [01:56:31] Speaker B: Yep. That's a fair enough comment. I mean, you know, I suppose, you know, Daniel was. [01:56:41] Speaker B: He was fast. I think he was, he was good. But he lost the plot with saying, oh, I want a fashion brand. You know, I'm going to do my wine company but you're a racer, stick to what you know, the money will come. Yeah, but you know, I want to do this and you know, I want to spread my brand and do this and racing is what made him the money. So you know, I suppose, you know, you can say, oh you know, I learned a lot on the sim but the sim is not the bees knees. Might get in the car, go and get yourself a formula Ford and just drive. Yeah, it's just drive anything, drive anything open wheeler, you know. But I don't think he's. I don't think he's got the mental capacity or the mental stamina to actually. [01:57:29] Speaker A: Funny you mentioned that. I've got the Goodwood Festival of Speed live stream on and last year there was nearly half the F1 field there driving cars. [01:57:40] Speaker B: Yep. [01:57:41] Speaker A: This weekend I've seen. [01:57:45] Speaker A: Three Bordaletto and the two has drivers. [01:57:48] Speaker B: Yep. [01:57:50] Speaker A: So what's that? It's like you'd be got perfect opportunity to drive. [01:57:57] Speaker B: Yes. [01:57:58] Speaker A: Anything and everything. [01:57:59] Speaker B: Yep. [01:58:01] Speaker B: Oh yeah, I suppose, you know, you got the two Commodores there this week. I suppose Greg Murphy's driving Murphy's in the Monaro. [01:58:11] Speaker A: There's one of the XHRT VE supercars which I think a guy over there owns it plus another eight or nine cars. [01:58:21] Speaker B: Yes. [01:58:23] Speaker A: And then Stephen Richards is over there in. Is it tied to the R30 or the R31? Skyline GDS? [01:58:30] Speaker B: Yeah, there's a lot of cars. There's a lot of. There's a lot of Aussies over there and yeah, yeah, there's a lot of Aussies driving at Goodwood this weekend. And so that's another thing that we haven't brought up. Goodwood Festival of Speed. Lord March, you know. [01:58:45] Speaker B: An amazing, an amazing benefactor to motor racing and you know, his Festival of Speed on his property. You know, Goodwood was actually a World War II air base and it's where the late Bruce McLaren lost his life also Goodwood. Yeah, Also you know. Yeah, they've got that hill climb there and Alex Summers, I don't know if you know about Alex, he's a British hill climber. He's kicking some. He's kicking some goals here this weekend also. So you know. [01:59:20] Speaker A: Yeah, I haven't seen the name mentioned but in saying that I haven't. The stuff I have watched has mainly been. [01:59:29] Speaker A: I haven't watched the stuff like overnight where they haven't had the actual hill climb shootout. Most of it's just been there. The demonstration runs like at the moment they've got the soup like supercars. On all your McLarens and stuff going up and. Yeah, but I haven't seen any of the actual, like their top 10 shootout type things that they have. [01:59:48] Speaker B: Yeah. So interesting, interesting, interesting times about what's going to happen. Interesting times. Formula one Oscar, eight points behind. Yeah, I think he's now not in. Not in. He's still in race mode. He was pretty angry. [02:00:08] Speaker A: He's still leading the championship. [02:00:09] Speaker B: I know he's still in the championship by eight points. [02:00:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:00:12] Speaker B: And I can't. If he keeps, you know, if he. If, like, he might win one or two, maybe three more. I mean, it's still a fight to the end. I don't think Lando's mentally tough enough. [02:00:27] Speaker A: Yeah, I don't know. It depends. [02:00:28] Speaker B: Like, it really depends on the role of the dice. [02:00:31] Speaker A: I mean, they say that there's no one or two driver in that team, but I just. I don't know. I've always said that Lando's been. [02:00:41] Speaker B: He's going to be shot. Oscar's going to be shafted. [02:00:45] Speaker A: I can see that there's some form of favoritism there towards Lando. [02:00:50] Speaker B: Yeah, of course. And you know what Darren Chant has called it. We hope not, but we think Oscar will be shafted. [02:00:57] Speaker A: I. I think it's gonna come down to Lando. We'll have the preference and. [02:01:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:01:05] Speaker B: And it's going to come down to racecraft, and it's going to come down to how much Oscar Piastri wants it, and I think he wants it more. But, you know, like you said, it's. [02:01:18] Speaker A: A straight up race and they let him race hard. Oscar's got him every day of the week. [02:01:22] Speaker B: Definitely 100%. [02:01:24] Speaker A: 100. [02:01:26] Speaker B: 101% there, mate. 101%. So, yeah. So interesting times. Formula One, that was. It wasn't something we're going to talk about this week, but with. With the news of Christian Horner being. [02:01:42] Speaker B: Duly sacked at Red Bull, the video coming out, you know, I think at the end of the day, it was a power struggle and unfortunately he lost the power struggle. [02:01:56] Speaker B: And they took his two lieutenants out with him. Now you got three guys that are super capable. [02:02:05] Speaker B: There's going to be a. There's going to be gardening leave, obviously. [02:02:09] Speaker A: Yeah. Well, has he actually been sacked? [02:02:13] Speaker C: Sacked? [02:02:14] Speaker A: Or has he just been dropped from that position? [02:02:16] Speaker B: Well, it's. It's bizarre because, you know, he's been let go from all his positions at Red Bull, but he still said that he's working for Red Bull. [02:02:29] Speaker A: Yeah, I reckon it's, you know, you're not running the F1 program, but here you can be in charge of running the, the building of the cans for the energy drink. [02:02:41] Speaker B: In Thailand. [02:02:44] Speaker A: Hey, if he's still getting paid the. [02:02:45] Speaker C: Millions. [02:02:48] Speaker B: Going to be. Well, you know, the contract is over $100 million. [02:02:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:02:53] Speaker B: So it's all going to come down to. [02:02:58] Speaker B: What they're going to do, what the Os are going to do and you know, let's just see. I suppose, you know, we'll wait another week and see what happens. [02:03:08] Speaker A: Yeah, we'll see what happens. The circus rolls in the spa, which I think's the next round. [02:03:12] Speaker B: Oh no, that's. They're on holidays. They're on holidays at the moment. And it was, it was probably a good time to do it because British Grand Prix couple of weeks on holidays. You know, they've all got in front of the Red Bull campuses and they've all, they've all been in front of the house. We need to work together. We need to be strong. We need to do this. Marco. They've all, they're all toe on the line at the moment. [02:03:34] Speaker B: So it's going to be an interesting, an interesting thing. What's going to happen. [02:03:39] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:03:39] Speaker B: So on. On that note, our motorsport correspondent. [02:03:47] Speaker B: From the worldwide correspondent for talking talk, Mr. Corey Horta. Thank you my friend for coming on today. And we'll keep discussing, we'll keep discussing car racing and see what happening. See what's happening. Obviously the V8s were, were in Townsville this weekend. The crowd didn't look great. So it will be interesting to see what the, what the rundown on that is. And thanks, Corey. Have a great day. We're gonna play some music to play some music, mate. And all the best. Have a great, have a great Sunday evening. [02:04:25] Speaker C: Cheers, mate. You too. Bye. [02:04:29] Speaker A: The best music from the 60s to today. IPL radio. [02:04:35] Speaker B: So that was the irrepressible Freddie Mercury in Queen. The 40th anniversary of the Live Aid concert. Freddie Mercury, that was one of the last major concerts that he did before he passed sadly one of the legends of music. [02:04:58] Speaker B: That's nearly, that's nearly us for the end of the day. Another show of Talking Talk. But next week, next week we've got an extraordinary show. Next week we've. Next week will be the fifth anniversary of IPL Radio on the air. Let's go team. [02:05:21] Speaker B: So we've got some special guests coming. There's going to be some celebrations here at the studio. The famous chef will be making a cake for the team behind the booth and they're all standing There saying, yes, we want cake. So that's. That will be next Sunday. And next Sunday we've got the ladies of transport, the ladies of road transport. Without road transport, Australia stays stopped. Australia is stopped without the trucks, the transport bringing goods and services to our shops, to our homes. [02:06:02] Speaker B: Our cars get transported by truck, food, beverages. So we're going to have the ladies of road transport in the studio next Sunday with a special guest, Rebecca Joslin. [02:06:17] Speaker B: We'll have some. 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