S1 Ep 4

[00:00:03] Speaker A: G' day everybody. Welcome to Talking Talk. Darren Chanter. [00:00:08] Speaker A: Sunday afternoon while a wild and woolly afternoon in Rocco and Western Australia. This will be another fantastic program. [00:00:22] Speaker A: Today. We've got then Don Behetz from the Western Australian Historic Touring Car Club and Don's kindly come into the studio and we'll be talking all things, all things historic touring cars for the next few hours. I suppose next couple of hours depends on how the afternoon proceeds. And yeah, we're just going to do a few things, get on, get on board and take it from there. So without a Jew, we've got Don in the studio today. Welcome, mate. How are you today? [00:01:03] Speaker B: Good, thanks Darren. [00:01:04] Speaker A: Thanks a lot for that, mate. It just. It has been some, some time before. It's taken a while for you to come on unfortunately with racing in the birthday party. You had the, the big birthday party. I hope that was a great night. [00:01:21] Speaker B: It certainly was. It was a long morning afterwards too. [00:01:24] Speaker A: Wow. [00:01:27] Speaker A: Fantastic. And some of the racing you guys have done. Where have you guys been? Obviously you've been at. You've been at. [00:01:35] Speaker B: We had a. We had a race meeting two weeks ago down at Collie Motorplex. [00:01:41] Speaker B: So then a bit. I guess we've had probably a meeting once a month since about March all the way through. [00:01:50] Speaker A: Yeah, that's fantastic. [00:01:51] Speaker B: So. [00:01:52] Speaker A: Yeah, that's fantastic. [00:01:53] Speaker B: Keeps us out of travel or into trouble depending on which way you look at it. [00:01:57] Speaker A: I've been to the workshop. Outstanding workshop. So. [00:02:02] Speaker A: Who is Don Behetz? [00:02:05] Speaker B: Nothing too exciting I guess from the historic racing point of view. I started in the 80s in an EH Holden probably just because I had an EH Holden wagon as a first car, as a road car. So I kind of knew my way around them. So that was the easy way of doing that. And then from that the late great Peter Hopwood had built a 64 imp parlour in New South Wales in the early days of the resurrection of the class. [00:02:38] Speaker B: When Peter had had enough of it, he unsold it and it went through quite a few hands. I loosely kept a track of it and ended up buying it. We rebuilt it, put it all back together and. And then I ran it in mainly around the houses events at that stage. So I didn't do a whole lot of racing then while the kids were growing up we were water skiing every weekend. [00:03:03] Speaker B: And then from that I guess I did a number of Target Tasmanias both as a navigator and a driver. I don't recommend navigating. [00:03:13] Speaker A: No. [00:03:16] Speaker B: Both in a 64 Galaxy and a 64 Feline Thunderbolt and we did a few other tarmac rallies around the place. So I'd been slowly building a 63 galaxy. We finally finished that and started running it late 2017. [00:03:33] Speaker B: We won the WA Championship in 2023 in what was a real Stephen Bradbury type moment, I guess. And then I'm lucky enough to get to drive a genuine Group C Falcon coupe from time to time and a few other cars of that sort of ilk. [00:03:51] Speaker A: That's fantastic. I mean I was, I was in the, I was in the workshop the other day last week and Robbo's there and these cars and parts and engines and Robbo's building a new engine and there was a Galaxy Span. There was a couple of galaxies there and there was yours there and there was a couple of other things. There's a lot to see, a lot to take in. Tell us about the Western Australian Historic Touring Car Club. [00:04:20] Speaker B: So we're a group of enthusiasts who basically just love it, love racing our cars. The club's been going since 1998, although there was an earlier version of the club dating back a few years prior to that. So we primarily cater for the three years of touring car racing that in their day were the premium categories of Australian racing. [00:04:42] Speaker A: Yep. [00:04:43] Speaker B: In the same way that supercars purport to be the premium category today. [00:04:48] Speaker A: Yes. [00:04:49] Speaker B: So, and then the club also recognizes the Group C and the Group A touring cars. [00:04:55] Speaker A: Wow. Yeah, it's a lot to take in, I suppose. The early, the, the early cars, Appendix J from the 60s, you know, the four doors and then obviously Appendix J, then obviously Group N, then Group nb, then Group nc, then you had the Mustangs and what period does that, that close? [00:05:18] Speaker B: So the, the cars that are eligible in Group N. So it's now called Group N. Yes. So they're production based touring cars from the 1950s through to the end of 1972. So what we're trying to emulate is the types of cars that were available straight off the showroom floor. [00:05:38] Speaker B: And basically take the air cleaners off and go racing. Back in that era that was kind of the mentality. So it's now divided into three groups. So the pre1958 group is now called group NA and that's for production type touring cars that were commercially available in Australia prior to 31 December 1957. So this is where you'll find your FX, FJ, Fe Holden, the odd Woolseley and Morris and that sort of thing. So then from 1959 to the end of 1964 that's when Australia went to the Appendix J era. So this is the category that's known now as Group nb. So this is for production type touring cast that were made before 31.12.64 of. [00:06:32] Speaker B: Which minimum 100 units had to be made. [00:06:36] Speaker B: So this is where you're going to find your early Mustangs, eh, Holden's Mark 1 Lotuses, Cortina GTS, your mini Cooper S's, RNS Series Valiants. [00:06:49] Speaker B: Jags, BMWs. [00:06:52] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So that was the heady days of racing, you know. [00:06:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:56] Speaker A: You had Bob Jane and you had the Beachy and you had all those guys in Brunswick. [00:07:06] Speaker A: The Brunswick boys, because they all had their car yards in Sydney Road when on Sunday sell on Monday. Bob Jane used to was a peddler. He actually won a Victorian cycle road cycling race. [00:07:26] Speaker B: That's right. He's a bike. [00:07:27] Speaker A: Yeah, he's a bike enthusiast, him and his brother. Yep. They couldn't afford a car and stuff like that so they had their pushies and he was the king of, he was the king of the Brunswick Velodrome at one stage. Young Bob, young Robert, Bob Jane. [00:07:44] Speaker A: His brother Bill and. And then obviously you had Storm and Norman Beachy and he's. And his speed part shop in. In Brunswick, not far from where Russell Stuckey's Stuckey's tires is in Sydney Road. Brunswick which unfortunately a few years ago that building that housed North Beachy was pulled down for development and it's now an apartment block. [00:08:11] Speaker B: Beautiful. So that was so the Beachy era. That was the Neptune racing team. So you had beachy and an EH to start with. Yes, McEwen, Jim McEwen in a Lotus Cortina and Skinny Mountain in a Cooper S. And then. But Norm moved on to the Nova just after that and then it sort of progressed through. It was known as Trident at one stage and then the Shell team towards the end. So that's getting into the what is now the NC era. So at the end of 1964. [00:08:45] Speaker B: The class changed again to what was known as improved touring. So that, that started obviously, you know, 1st of January 65 and went through to the end of 72. So that class is now group NC. [00:08:59] Speaker A: Yes. [00:08:59] Speaker B: And that's where I guess that's the real muscle car era. [00:09:04] Speaker A: Oh yeah. [00:09:04] Speaker B: Where you know, that's your late 60s Mustangs, Camaros, your Falcon GTs, your Monaros Charges, XU1s, Paces, Valiant Paces. You get the Capris in there, the Escorts and then the rotary engine Mazdas are allowed to run in that Class. [00:09:21] Speaker A: Okay. [00:09:23] Speaker B: Yeah. So yeah, huge assortment of cars. [00:09:26] Speaker A: Huge assortment. Like that, that era, that, that era of, of Shell bought Neptune. So Neptune sold was a major player in Australian service stations. They got bought out by Shell, obviously the racing and everything rolled back into Shell and overnight over a 12 month period, the Neptune racing team became the Shell racing team. The cars went from blue to yellow. [00:09:58] Speaker A: Skinny Manton had a car dealership in Elizabeth street. [00:10:05] Speaker A: In the city in Melbourne. [00:10:06] Speaker B: Which was Monaro Motors. [00:10:08] Speaker A: Monaro Motors. And long before Holden used the name, long before Holden. And there's a lady who lives in Fremantle, her name is Peter. At the time her name was Peter Jocelyn and she was Skinny Manton's accountant. [00:10:26] Speaker B: There you go. It's amazing. [00:10:29] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So she lives in, she lives in Fremantle. Auntie Peter all. How are you going? Fantastic. Catching up with you recently. And you were talking about Skinny Manton. So fantastic. And you know that, that period of time, you know, obviously Alan Moffat brought the, the Trans Am Mustang out from America. [00:10:51] Speaker B: Yep. [00:10:52] Speaker A: The, the storied history about the Mustang. David Hassell wrote a fantastic book about it. Norm Beachy, Alan Moffat. [00:11:02] Speaker A: Oh, who, who can, who can not forget Big Pete in the GTA Mustang. He had two Mustangs and he won five Australian touring Car championships. Just legendary. You know, I mean there's, there's photos of, of the car, the boot going up and they, and I believe John shepherd who just passed built that car. [00:11:21] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. So Gagans were quite annoyed when Moffat fronted with the 69 fastback because they bought in a 67 or 68 fastback Mustang and weren't allowed to race it. [00:11:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:36] Speaker B: At the same time they bought in the, the coupe, which is the car they ended up racing. [00:11:40] Speaker A: Yes. [00:11:41] Speaker B: Which was an automatic for gta. [00:11:43] Speaker A: Yes. [00:11:44] Speaker B: So, you know, mechanical bits and pieces got swapped around. But then, yeah, they weren't really impressed when Ellen fronted with the, The Mustang. [00:11:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:52] Speaker B: 69. [00:11:53] Speaker A: Yeah. Gagan sporty cars. [00:11:55] Speaker B: Yeah, that's it. [00:11:56] Speaker A: Well known in Parramatta Road, one of the most well known car dealerships of the time. You wanted a sporty car, you went to the Gagans. They were also the Lotus distributor for Australia at one stage. And Big Pete, you know, was a touring car expert and his brother was a open wheeler. [00:12:17] Speaker B: Yep. [00:12:18] Speaker A: Expert Gold Star champion. You know, I mean, and then Leo. [00:12:24] Speaker B: Was the one that Chrysler Australia used to do all the groundwork on the paces and the charges and, and the two shortened Valiant Utes they had running around Malala. They shortened up a ve. Sorry, a VF and a VG Valiant Ute. And we're running those around Malala. The same wheelbase is what the Chargers eventually have. And both of those cars are actually owned by someone in wa. [00:12:51] Speaker A: Yeah, that's, that's, it's, it's a really, it's a great thing that there's a lot of historic touring cars, original cars from out east in wa but we'll, we'll come to that later because there's some really interesting stories that, that Don's going to tell us later on. [00:13:13] Speaker B: So. Sorry. So I guess. [00:13:16] Speaker B: You know, with the, with their cars now we're obviously we've all got to run, you know, roll cages and yes, safety harnesses and fuel tanks have to comply with, with motorsport Australia regs, isolation switches and one of the things that is quite important is that the cars should be presented in what would be as new condition because we're supposed to be emulating, you know, something that was new at the time if you like. [00:13:45] Speaker A: Yes. [00:13:47] Speaker B: So we've still got to run our full interiors including headlinings. Now the only thing we're allowed to remove is the floor coverings and that was due to incidents where carpet was getting either quite warm or a bit smoky with exhaust sitting close to the floor and that sort of thing. And the other thing that I guess people don't realize is in our class is that the wheels that we run are required to be the original width and diameter of what was on the road cars. So we're not allowed to run, you know, 19 inch wheels or, and, and huge widths or anything like that. [00:14:25] Speaker A: Yes, standard, standard width. So that would be like, you know, was it 14s on the galaxies or 15? [00:14:32] Speaker B: The galaxy runs a 15 by 6. [00:14:34] Speaker A: So 15 by 6 there. I run 14 by 6 on my Falcon. [00:14:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:14:39] Speaker A: So we're not, we're not talking, we're not talking massive tires and I know our good friend El Toro in, in Melbourne has a original, an original racing Galaxy. So he's an original drag car. So yeah, that's, that's a wild looking car. You know, I mean he's, he's missed a total performance. Yeah, he's got the Cobra, he's got that. He's doing a GT40 mark too with a, with a big block in it. So you know he's missed the performance. I've known you for many years so. [00:15:15] Speaker B: I guess so with our cars again there's an amalgate, there's a set of homologation papers for some cars and if the cars don't have that from the factory then there's A build sheet that can be used as a reference if you are going to build a car, you know on there it's what you can use and what you can't use. [00:15:35] Speaker B: So components from outside of the era can't really be used. There's a little bit of a. A thing now where you can replace certain parts if components aren't available. I guess one example of that would be like the eh. Holden's. The 179 engine blocks are getting very old and very hard to find so they're allowed to run the 173 block out of the HQ. [00:16:02] Speaker A: Okay. [00:16:03] Speaker B: And onwards. Which again is still getting up there in age. But yeah it's just something that. To try to keep the cars on the track. There's things like that that, that have come on and there are other things for other cars as well. So we can add additional gauges but you can't remove the original gauges. So if you're running something like a GDS Monaro or a JD HO Falcon the original gauges are supposed to be in the car. [00:16:32] Speaker A: Yes. [00:16:33] Speaker B: And. And the additional gauges sort of over the top or to the side or, or wherever, you know, wherever it fits. [00:16:39] Speaker A: Yeah. The auxiliary gauges. Do the auxiliary gauges need to be period like, like a Smiths or a Stuart Warner? [00:16:49] Speaker B: Yeah, preferably. I mean there's no, there's. Well we're not supposed to be running. [00:16:56] Speaker B: The warning lights on the tacos, all that sort of thing. So. [00:17:02] Speaker B: Yeah. And there's a minimum weight for every make of car now. [00:17:05] Speaker A: Okay. [00:17:06] Speaker B: There's no point trying to lighten something off if I mean the minimum weight for the galaxy, for instance 63 galaxy, for instance is 1579 kilos. Now there's no way that you would legally get one down to that. Not by the time you add in a roll cage and, and any of those sort of safety features. [00:17:26] Speaker A: So it's, it's a, it's a massive car. [00:17:29] Speaker B: The brakes in all the cars have to be of the type and size of what they came out with originally. [00:17:36] Speaker A: Yes. [00:17:37] Speaker B: So again if I use eh as an example they've still got to run their four wheel drum brakes. [00:17:44] Speaker B: You know you can't run discs or anything like that. You know you can't run a motor gearbox or diff that wasn't period to the car or in the car as a, as a road car. Yeah, yeah. As a component substitution there's a bit of that that's allowed now which is logical. So there's no flaring of mud guards there's no altering of bodywork or anything of that nature. [00:18:07] Speaker A: Yeah. So it's basically. It's a class where. [00:18:11] Speaker A: What they. What they produced is what you run with. [00:18:15] Speaker B: Yep. [00:18:16] Speaker A: Some modifications for safety, other modifications due to the age of the cars, engine blocks, stuff like that. Do they still. Do they. As far as engine blocks and heads, is there. Is there a cutoff period? [00:18:32] Speaker B: Yeah, nothing really outside the period unless it's been okayed and approved by, you know, the powers to be. [00:18:39] Speaker A: Yep. [00:18:40] Speaker B: So there's a substitution now with the heads on some of the Ford products and bits and pieces. But. But I mean, it's all there in the fifth category, Historic rules and regs as to what you can do and what you can't do. [00:18:54] Speaker A: Yeah, it's in the. It's in the Motorsport Australia Historic Manual. And you need to get, like. You need to get your COD, COD's certificate of description, go and see your historic. [00:19:09] Speaker A: Scrutineer or Eligibility Officer. The Eligibility officer, yeah. [00:19:14] Speaker B: So in our class, you don't necessarily need the C A D. So the CD is really for cars that had a race history in the period, the original period. So you do need the Motorsport Australia logbook. And I mean, if anybody's interested in joining, there's anyone. [00:19:31] Speaker A: We're all happy to help with all. [00:19:34] Speaker B: That sort of thing. [00:19:35] Speaker A: Yes. It's one of those. It's one of those. [00:19:38] Speaker A: It's one of those things, isn't it? There's really. The period cars are worth millions and you don't see many or any period cars race these days. The only. I suppose the only car that I've seen race, that raced in the day was Norm Beaches Impala. [00:20:01] Speaker B: Yep. [00:20:02] Speaker A: And he. He would run it at the hill climbs at Rob Roy. [00:20:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:20:08] Speaker A: At Mount Lura. And his wife Margaret would be in the big Mercedes. Yeah. And he'd have a tank full of beer cans in the spear wheel. [00:20:22] Speaker A: A tow rope just in case something happened and they'd be prepared to tow the car home on a tow rope. [00:20:28] Speaker B: Yep. [00:20:29] Speaker A: Nor beach, you know. Great man, 93 years old. Still with us. Still with us. Yeah, still with us. [00:20:35] Speaker B: So the other ones, the other. Sorry, the other period cars, there was the Luki Galaxy, the red Ford or Galaxy, which is now in the Bowden Collection. And then the Bob Jane Lotus Cortina was floating around. I'm not sure where that is now, but. And there was a few other ones. [00:20:52] Speaker A: The BTech BGE, Alan Moffat's Mustang. [00:20:57] Speaker B: The later ones, the Mustang. [00:21:00] Speaker B: Beaches, HT Monaro. The HK Monaro does survive. I'm not sure what condition that's in, but, yeah, there's a few of them that are still there. [00:21:11] Speaker A: And there's also the DES west. [00:21:14] Speaker A: Fx. Yep. That's the red one. That's still. I know that. That's still. [00:21:21] Speaker A: That's still around. And there's really like. He can only run in sports sedans. So historically, I saw that car in. [00:21:31] Speaker B: 2010 when we did the muscle car Masters Eastern Creek. I had the Impala there and we had the Group C Falcon there and I think the Target Galaxy, and they had that. The red DES west card in. [00:21:45] Speaker A: So how many. How many members? [00:21:50] Speaker A: Yep. So how many members are in the club. [00:21:56] Speaker B: At the moment? We. There's about 65 members in the club. [00:22:00] Speaker A: Yep. [00:22:02] Speaker B: And that sort of stays fairly stagnant at that. It's been that for quite a while. So as for logbook cars, I. I actually think we probably got at least 80 in WA, maybe a lot more. So, you know, over the years, we've had competitors retire and keep their cars. You know, some people moved interstate and vice versa. Quite a few of our members got more than one car. There's a few guys got three or four. [00:22:32] Speaker B: And there's always new cars being built. I know there's another 69 Mustang under construction at the moment. There's another GD Falcon about to appear. And then there's other members that have hung up the helmet for various reasons and get bored with playing golf and come back and have a crack again. [00:22:49] Speaker A: Yeah, it's always. It's always great to have those cars in a state that's so far away from the east. And, you know, it's very hard to transfer or send the car out east. And generally those cars stay. Stay here in Western Australia, which is. Which is great for the history. Which is great for the history of the club. Great for the history of the cars. And, you know, you got a good. A good set of a good number of members. [00:23:20] Speaker B: Yep. [00:23:21] Speaker A: And a good number of cars. And it's good because, you know, if one car breaks and you've got three cars, well, it's the team. Yeah. It's the team owner that, well, this is broken. We'll run this and then we'll run that. And, you know, just if they can. If you can rotate through three cars over a season, which would be very good. How many. How many events during the year, Don? [00:23:44] Speaker B: We've had eight. We've got eight on the books for this year. [00:23:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:49] Speaker B: So. [00:23:51] Speaker B: I think. What are we up to? We'd be up to round Six. So we had. [00:23:58] Speaker B: So we had. We've got five rounds at Wanneroo, or Carco Raceway as it's known at the moment. And we had. We got three at Collie Motorplex this year. So those two tracks form the basis of our championship rounds. So. [00:24:13] Speaker B: So we've got two rounds coming up in September, which is the start of our Track Master Challenge. [00:24:22] Speaker A: Yes. [00:24:23] Speaker B: Where it's kind of a championship within a championship. So we run one meeting at Wanneroo and then one down at Colley a fortnight later. [00:24:32] Speaker A: Yes. [00:24:33] Speaker B: So last year was the first time we ran that event and we had guys come over from South Australia, Queensland, Victoria, and Nick Swift, who is a Mini expert from England, was here and ran a car in both rounds. So. [00:24:49] Speaker B: Yeah, it was really well supported and I'm sure it'll be the same again. I know I haven't seen the. The entry list for that meeting so far this year, but I know we've got one car from Victoria already. [00:25:01] Speaker A: It's. It's. Excuse me. It's fantastic that. [00:25:06] Speaker A: Cars are coming from out east because there's not many events in at least anymore. I suppose the next ones are Sandown in November. There's no sports, there's no. They'll. I think they'll have a grouping race or like a grouping event. There's obviously the Sydney Motorsport park event. [00:25:31] Speaker B: Tail and Bend, and that's been heavily supported. There's over 50. There's 54 cars of our car. And Group N cars have been ended for Tail and Bend to the point where they've now split the grid for under and over three liter, so. And I think. I'm not sure. I think they're going to reopen the entries again to pack out both fields. [00:25:56] Speaker A: Yeah, that's all. That's a. That's an amazing amount of cars and it's an amazing amount of interest. You would. You wouldn't normally run at Tail and Bend. The Benza, a great. A great asset to South Australia. [00:26:13] Speaker A: The sister. The sister track to Malala, which is a very historic. [00:26:19] Speaker B: Yep. [00:26:20] Speaker A: Race track, which was owned by the late Clem Smith and he was another car dealer in. In South Australia, who. Who ran a charger and a number of other cars. [00:26:33] Speaker A: So you got the club championship and it's well supported. The club's well supported in Western Australia. [00:26:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:26:43] Speaker B: So the. The Club championship we run across both tracks, Collie and Kako. Wanneroo. [00:26:50] Speaker A: Yes. [00:26:51] Speaker B: So there's points awarded for every round and then. So there's an overall state champion for every year and Then there's also awards for individual classes within the groups NBNC. So if I use NB as an example, there's categories for over 4,500cc, 3,001 to 4,500cc, 2,600 to 3,000cc, 1,301 to 1,600cc and 1,001 to 1,300cc. And as well as that, the various race tracks will also have their own trophies at every round for race winners or place getters, whatever. [00:27:34] Speaker A: It's fantastic that you guys only have two tracks. [00:27:41] Speaker A: And you have all those rounds at both tracks. And then obviously the guys at Colley do a great job. And Carco, which is Barbagello for those out east that don't, that don't know the, the events, how many laps. [00:27:57] Speaker B: Well, they've changed it from laps now to time so everything's time certain now. So. Okay, so you generally get a race of 10 minutes or 15 minutes. Yes. [00:28:08] Speaker B: And it seems to be working out better. We seem to be getting more track time than what we were getting previous when it was lapse. [00:28:18] Speaker B: The downside of course is, you know, safety car or something like that beats into that time. But it would anyway because you'd be following the safety car around and the laps would still be counting down. So yeah, that's, that's a transition that's happened really smoothly. [00:28:35] Speaker A: Well that's good. [00:28:38] Speaker B: So then as well as the rounds that we get at Carco and Co Collie. [00:28:45] Speaker B: There'S also a number of round the houses type events. So you've got Albany and Northam always put on a really good show and, and some, not all of our members, but quite a few of our members will do those sorts of events as well. And then the other big one of course is the supercar round. So that doesn't form part of our championship, but we will. So supercars will invite categories. [00:29:12] Speaker A: Yes. [00:29:12] Speaker B: To be support categories and, and we do get asked to do that. So for instance, this year I think we had 34 cars on the grid. That's a track limit I think is 32 and we had two reserve. [00:29:27] Speaker A: That's fantastic. Now for the, for the guys back east who are listening and there's a lot that raced at Sandown this weekend who are on the way home. What's around the houses, that's where they block off. [00:29:41] Speaker B: There was quite a lot of so called round the houses racing through the 30s, 40s, 50s in WA. So just about every country town had around the houses events, whether it was motorcycles or cars. [00:29:53] Speaker A: Yep. [00:29:53] Speaker B: So Basically what it is is they. They block off. Well, in both Albany and Northam, for example, they block off the town Sea center and a few streets sort of up and around and. Yeah, we're let loose on the. On the streets. [00:30:11] Speaker A: Is that like. Is that like a regularity event? [00:30:13] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Yes. [00:30:17] Speaker A: I was thinking when I was coming out here, I'm thinking around the houses. What's that? Yeah, because we. Yeah, I mean you would, you would never hear of that happening in. [00:30:28] Speaker A: In Hard Hat, safe eastern states. [00:30:31] Speaker B: Yep. [00:30:32] Speaker A: Yeah, because they would not. They would be scared. [00:30:36] Speaker A: Scared. Scared of the bejesus of something happening. [00:30:40] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:30:41] Speaker A: But. [00:30:42] Speaker B: So we are lucky that they have still gone on and we used to do more. There used to be. There was an around the houses event up at Joondalup in 1998, I think it was. There was one at Midland that we did one year. There was a couple at Gemelling that we did. [00:30:59] Speaker B: What else? Yeah, there was a few around the place. [00:31:02] Speaker A: So who, who runs that? Is that on the. Is that on the. Motorsport Australia? [00:31:05] Speaker B: Is that under a vintage sporting car club must be active in getting them up and running. So the two that survive, Albany and Northam, they're both run by the Vintage Sporting Car Club. [00:31:15] Speaker A: And do they take all sorts of cars? [00:31:17] Speaker B: Yeah, mainly historics, although. [00:31:21] Speaker B: There are a few later ones that sneak in now, you know, up till, I don't know, I guess the end of 77, sort of that era. [00:31:30] Speaker A: So 77 would be. [00:31:32] Speaker B: That's just a guess. [00:31:34] Speaker A: I shouldn't be saying that because I'm 77. 77 might be, you know, group C, Group Q historic, if that does happen. So we don't know whether that happens or not. That's a disclaimer from talking. Yeah, the disclaimer is we don't know. [00:31:51] Speaker B: That's something I don't want to get in trouble for. [00:31:53] Speaker A: But you know, when I first heard about. That's. That's. That's fascinating. And I know Nigel Quick from Desert Collectors, did one at Albany in a E type Jaguar a number of years ago. So well done to Nigel. He's actually a great supporter of Talking Talk. So. So we've got the cars, the events. [00:32:19] Speaker A: How did you guys get on a supercar event? Because that's probably the. One of the most interesting things that when, when, when they see the. The. You don't really see them on TV because you don't see them on TV because it's supercars. But how does a. How does a club get 42 cars on track? [00:32:44] Speaker B: 32. [00:32:44] Speaker A: 32 cars on track at a supercar event. [00:32:50] Speaker B: Well, they, we're lucky enough that there's not any other support event. Support categories. I guess that all the support categories that they have on the east coast that want to travel all this way so they, they actually invite us to, to come and play. [00:33:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:05] Speaker B: So we do our best to behave ourselves every year and hope that we get invited back the next year. [00:33:11] Speaker A: So is that on a year by year basis? [00:33:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:17] Speaker A: So hopefully when the great premier of Western Australia, Roger Cook and his, his lieutenant, Ms. Scarfiotti. [00:33:32] Speaker A: So you, when they have it at Burzwood, if they have it at Burswood, the question marks, would you guys. Yeah. You guys would be sort of up front and going. [00:33:43] Speaker B: I guess so if we were to be invited. Yeah, I can't see any reason why we wouldn't. [00:33:48] Speaker A: Is that because there's like, I mean the, and we're sort of, sort of. We all, we always talk about these kind of car shows out east or whatever. The tyranny of distance. Is it the tyranny of distance between east and west that they'd rather have a strong grid of cars rather than have, you know, a grid of 10 cars? [00:34:10] Speaker B: Well, that's exactly what happened two years or so ago where we, we had been a support category, say three years ago. [00:34:18] Speaker A: Yes. [00:34:18] Speaker B: And then they dropped us for the next year and they bought another category in. But that category could only come up with 12 cars. [00:34:26] Speaker A: Yep. [00:34:26] Speaker B: So then last year they asked us again or. Sorry, this year they asked us again and which we did. So yeah, we just got to wait and see whether or not they, they go that way again this year. [00:34:39] Speaker A: Wow. Interesting. [00:34:40] Speaker B: And I'm not sure, you know, whether the, the Burswood thing will get up and running. I, I'd be interested to see if that comes off, but there's a lot of money that, that's, you know, the government look like they're going to put into that. But I'm not sure whether they, from a personal point of view, I'm not sure whether they should be doing that or putting it into existing racetracks or, or other infrastructure like the hospital and things like that. [00:35:06] Speaker A: It's a lot of money. I mean, I mean when they first sort of, when, when that was first mooted. [00:35:14] Speaker A: I thought, you know. [00:35:17] Speaker A: It'S not a, it's not a, a permanent track. It's gonna be, it's going to be only open for a weekend if a week. [00:35:29] Speaker A: Looking at the Albert park scenario, because I think that's what everybody, every, every State government looks at the Albert park scenario and yes, Albert park. [00:35:42] Speaker A: What's the best way to describe it was like a tip. That's, that's probably the best way to describe Albert Park. It was a tip. [00:35:50] Speaker A: Yes. The history of Albert park was from the 50s. [00:35:56] Speaker A: Touring cars, Formula One cars. In the day Sterling Moss ran, you know, Stan Jones, Lex Davison, you know, Prince Beer of Thailand, all these people ran at that event. [00:36:14] Speaker A: And then it obviously went into disuse, dysfunction. You know, the lake was a tip. There was shopping trolleys and that, but burws would not like that. And to spend. [00:36:29] Speaker A: I suppose a week at, to spend 35 million or whatever it is, but then you got the infrastructure, so you got to put the infrastructure up, take the infrastructure down, store it somewhere for 12 months and yeah, Western Australia is not back east and it gets hot and things deteriorate in the weather. Unless it's undercover, I don't know whether they've actually. [00:36:56] Speaker A: Thought it through enough to say, okay, maybe, you know, if they're going to spend, you know, 200 million, it's going to be 50 million a year to put it up, tear it down and store it where I suppose, you know, you've got a, you, you know, you probably need to spend some money. They need to spend some money at Collie or, or Barbagalla, which is car track these days too. It's, it's all about the infrastructure. When the infrastructure is there, it's great and yeah, it looks, and it's fantastic. Permanent, permanent structures. But if you have to build everything, I think, you know, you need that. Yeah, you need that. Those millions and yes, WA has millions, but in our days and times of costs and families and high rents and car and, and stuff like that, I think maybe it's not a good look. [00:37:53] Speaker B: I can understand street circuits and again, this is a personal view. I, I can understand street circuits in somewhere like Townsville where it's a long way away from a capital city population base. But I don't, I don't know that it's relevant for WA given that realistically Wanna Roo is not that far out of town. [00:38:19] Speaker B: Anyway. [00:38:20] Speaker A: We'll see, we'll see. They've got, they've got two facilities out here in, in Western Australia. Not like Melbourne where there's Calder and the Janes have done an amazing job at Calder. You've got Sandown, they ran the state series there this weekend. Obviously you got Winton, Calder, Winton, Phillip Island. Phillip Island's probably the best racetrack to race at, but it's expensive to go there. It's expensive to hire out. [00:38:49] Speaker A: Like a peak garage. [00:38:51] Speaker A: And the, the rates to stay there are astronomical. [00:38:57] Speaker A: Race mates. I've done all the race meets the race tracks. What's the most. So, so now we're talking about, we're talking about the cars earlier don. [00:39:07] Speaker A: Tires. Tires and fuel. [00:39:11] Speaker B: So the category, there's a, there's a list of tires that we can choose from so you know, control tyres. So that list does change from time to time but basically the tires are of an approved radial or cross ply construction with a minimum aspect rating of 60%. Right. So we can't go running licorice straps or anything like that. We've still got fairly tall tyres. [00:39:37] Speaker A: Yes. [00:39:38] Speaker B: So as far as the, the list itself, there's, there are quite a few tyres on there and, and I guess, you know, certain brands of tyres work well on some cars and not on others. And as I said earlier, wheel widths and diameters have to be standard. So there's an O. There's also an overriding maximum rim width of 8 inches. So that keeps us all sliding about nicely. [00:40:03] Speaker B: So again, tyres. There's been a lot of discussion over the years about putting us all on one brand of tyre that works pretty well in a category where all the cars are the same. I'm not sure how it would work in our group or our classes where cars vary from 800 kilos to 1800 kilos. You're never going to find, you're never going to find a tyre that works on a Mini that will work on. [00:40:27] Speaker A: An Impala or a Galaxy or a. [00:40:30] Speaker B: Galaxy or anything in between. So and then the fuel side of it fuel is specified, certified by Motorsport Australia So you can run unleaded racing fuel, you can run an ethanol blended fuel, you can run any pump fuel and there's also a list of approved additives that you can add to pump fuel. So some of the guys run really exotic race fuels. You know, four bucks a liter, five bucks a liter type stuff. And then I mean my own instance, we just run 95 of an additive. [00:41:05] Speaker A: Interesting because I know ratios wa they do sell the, the exotic stuff and sometimes the exotic stuff is more harmful than the pump fuel. And we used to use. [00:41:25] Speaker A: We used to use BP98 because I think the BP98 was the most consistent octane fuel that you could buy. And we used to look at BP service stations that had a lot of through traffic of 98. [00:41:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:41:44] Speaker A: Because then the fuel would always be to keep it fresh. So, so we, there was A few service stations in Melbourne that used to, used to use a lot of 98 and you find a lot of race cars, guys going with their 20 liter cans and filling up from that because they knew that it was, it was fresh. Especially the BP on the, on the east link. They always had good fuel. There was a BP in Reservoir. It always, they always had 98 and good. At least every other week they stock 98 but they change it up. So. Yeah. Tires. What sort of tires using on the, on the Galaxy? [00:42:23] Speaker B: Well, up until a couple of years ago we were running the Bridgestone Potenza. [00:42:28] Speaker A: Yep. [00:42:29] Speaker B: And that was a tyre that it. I mean we did some really good lap times, some of our quickest times on that tyre but. And then they decided to stop making it so I can't get it in that size anymore. So then we, we played around with an Avon and something other combination front to rear and. [00:42:52] Speaker B: That. That kind of works. Okay. And then we tried the Hoosiers on the car. [00:42:57] Speaker A: Yep. [00:42:58] Speaker B: And I, A lot of the guys are running Hoosiers. [00:43:01] Speaker A: Yes. [00:43:01] Speaker B: I can't, cannot get them to work on my car. I put them on the car and it feels like we're going quicker and we come in with three seconds a lap slower both at both our tracks here. So we've spoken to all the powers but be with the tires and, and all that sort of thing. And yeah, the car just doesn't like Hoosiers unfortunately or that brand of tire. So we did try another brand of tire last weekend or the weekend before down at Collie. The, the Nankang. [00:43:31] Speaker A: Nankang, yes. [00:43:32] Speaker B: And they, I was surprised at how good they were. So. And, and I again, I was almost at my PB in getting Galaxy with those tires on, so it'll be interesting to see how they go once they get a few heat cycles through them. But yeah, I was pretty impressed with them. And the, the price is a lot better too, so. [00:43:54] Speaker A: Oh yeah, especially the. There's a guy in South Australia, one of our good Facebook friends and one of our buddies. He, he. They swear by him. [00:44:05] Speaker B: The Nankings. [00:44:06] Speaker A: Nan Kings. They actually. [00:44:09] Speaker A: They'Ve been. I think they've. They've been. They've had them on a Monaro and they've had a few different sets, a few different compounds and price. Were they from South Korea or somewhere like that? [00:44:23] Speaker B: I'm not sure where they made somewhere like that. [00:44:25] Speaker A: So you know, they're, they're a good tire. They're getting a good name. It's unfortunate that companies like Avon have gone to the wreck and ruin. [00:44:39] Speaker A: Dunlop. You can't get good stuff, you can't get the sizes, you can't get the compounds anymore. Bridgestone the same. [00:44:50] Speaker A: You know, maybe, maybe some of the American brands, but they've all sold everything off to Suma. Sumitono. [00:44:59] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:45:00] Speaker A: In Japan. So, so now the Dunlops are being made in Japan again because they had all the, they had all the casings and that sent over. So it's always interesting. I, I suppose a lot of the, the guys, I think in Formula V, they run the Dunlops. [00:45:16] Speaker B: Yeah. I think, well, they're all on a controlled tire. [00:45:19] Speaker A: They're all on the control tire. So you can. So then, so that's, that's pretty interesting that a big, a big heavy car can run on those, on those, on those tires. And you know, I'm like, it's all about the heat cycle. So I suppose if you're on it for 13 minutes, the heat cycle, you know, generally of a hill climb tire or a tire like that, you'd probably get probably 10 or 15 heat cycles out of. [00:45:45] Speaker A: And you'd really want to look after the tires. [00:45:52] Speaker A: I suppose. You know, the way I would look after a tire is change the air after each, each event, put fresh air in, wash the tire, clean the tire, drive the tire. [00:46:05] Speaker B: Well, we, we used to, the Potenzas used to. [00:46:10] Speaker B: Come on, they'd be. Be sticky, they'd be really good. You'd come in, you go out again, they'd be the same and they'd sort of do it meeting after meeting. [00:46:21] Speaker B: They didn't. When they went off, they went off, you throw them away. But they seemed to hang on for, for quite a long time. [00:46:29] Speaker A: So, yeah, the Bridgestones were very, very good. It's a shame that Bridgestone don't make them anymore. But you know, like the other fuel and that stuff like that. So that's, so that's pretty interesting. I mean, you know, the cars and the cars. So we haven't raised a car. So, so we've talked about the cars. What, what is, what is the most competitive. [00:46:56] Speaker A: Car in the class? [00:46:58] Speaker B: 69 Camaro followed very, very closely by 69 Mustang. So if you've got lots of dollars and can afford to keep the cars at that pinnacle, they're the two cars to have. [00:47:14] Speaker B: If you want to win everything. [00:47:16] Speaker A: If you want to win, if you're. [00:47:18] Speaker B: On a, if you're a budget racer, then. [00:47:23] Speaker B: Yeah, it's just whatever you want. [00:47:25] Speaker A: To go racing, if you want to win, it's. Oh, it's it's obviously the 69 and so obviously the 60 on the Mustang would be like the yellow Moffat Trans Am. [00:47:35] Speaker B: Yep. And the Camaro like the Bob James. [00:47:38] Speaker A: Bob James car. So, you know, so we're back to the Mustang and the Camaro again, even after 60 years. Why do you think that is done? [00:47:48] Speaker B: Well, well apart from the fact that they were your two Trans Am cars in America so you can buy a lot of stuff off the shelf for them because that era of racing is a historic class over there. [00:48:00] Speaker A: Yeah. So. [00:48:02] Speaker B: So both of those cars fit in the NC C category. [00:48:06] Speaker A: Yes. [00:48:06] Speaker B: Which is. [00:48:09] Speaker B: From the end of 64 through to the end of 72. [00:48:14] Speaker A: Yes. [00:48:15] Speaker B: So and that was our era here that was known as improved touring. [00:48:20] Speaker A: Yes. [00:48:23] Speaker B: Now if you want to go nc, you've got to race a car that, that raced in Australia in that period of time. [00:48:30] Speaker A: Yep. [00:48:31] Speaker B: Which still allows a huge range of cars. [00:48:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:34] Speaker B: So as we just said, you know, the 69 Mustang, 69 Camaro but also there's 67, 68 Mustangs and Camaros running. [00:48:43] Speaker A: Yes. [00:48:45] Speaker B: You got your Falcon GTS that all run in that category. [00:48:48] Speaker A: Yep. [00:48:50] Speaker B: Your HQ Monaros, HT HK TG Monaros are eligible. [00:48:56] Speaker A: You got your charges, they're rare like they are. I mean you wouldn't want to bust up. I mean parts panels. [00:49:06] Speaker A: Like as far as a. For for an XR to XY Falcon, for a Monaro they're really hard to come by. [00:49:14] Speaker B: So we've got two HQ two door Monaros that run here and a four door HQ Monaro that runs. [00:49:25] Speaker B: There's one Charger at the moment. [00:49:28] Speaker A: Yes. [00:49:28] Speaker B: There's one Pacer at the moment. [00:49:30] Speaker A: Yep. [00:49:33] Speaker B: XU1 Tiranas Capris escorts. [00:49:40] Speaker B: Your rotary engine mazes are eligible for that class. [00:49:45] Speaker A: Amazing. I mean those cars, I mean, mean all those, all those Australian cars, you can't buy anything for them. Not even rare spares these days. Are doing a lot of stuff. Obviously Ford don't make anything anymore. They don't have anything in stock. [00:50:02] Speaker A: Pretty difficult. What about like when do you think? Like if there's a. Like, like I'm, I'm just thinking ahead here, panels and stuff. [00:50:13] Speaker A: Will they ever sort of allow that class to make them out of fiberglass or anything like that? [00:50:21] Speaker B: Nothing's ever been purported from that point of view. That is one thing though that is unique to the 63 galaxies because Ford homologated those cars with fiberglass panels. So my own car runs fiberglass guards, bonnet, boot lid, door skins. So the Galaxy and aluminum bumpers. [00:50:45] Speaker A: Yes. [00:50:46] Speaker B: So the aluminum Bumpers. We've got a hand make. [00:50:50] Speaker B: And I do all the body panels for them. But, but that's about the only car that is allowed to run fiberglass and it's only because Ford and molegated enough of them as drag cars. [00:51:03] Speaker A: That's right. [00:51:04] Speaker B: With all those lightweight panels. [00:51:06] Speaker A: Same as the falcon. So the 60. [00:51:08] Speaker B: Sorry, the 64 falcon sprint. [00:51:10] Speaker A: Yeah, 64, 65. [00:51:12] Speaker B: Yeah. Is eligible. [00:51:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:14] Speaker B: With fiberglass panels. [00:51:16] Speaker A: It's funny that Bob Toy did really well on a car, sort of, that sort of car. Jim Richards did really well in the TCM car. [00:51:28] Speaker B: We had a competitor here who did really, really well in a, in a Falcon Sprint for many, many years, but. [00:51:34] Speaker A: Gone by the wayside because of the Monaro, because of the Camaro and the Mustang both 69. So yeah, it's pretty interesting. I mean they're like, you know, the Falcon. [00:51:47] Speaker A: Another homologation special through Holman and Moody. I suppose everything, anything hot Fords came through Holman and Moody in the day. [00:51:58] Speaker A: And. [00:52:00] Speaker A: They were the masters of everything. They, they were the Ford production. You wanted to race a Ford, you went and bought a Holman and Moody. Whatever it was, whether it be a drag car. [00:52:12] Speaker A: Nascar. [00:52:14] Speaker A: Whatever car he bought from Holman and Moody, I suppose over the. They were the one part spare shop in, in America for Ford. [00:52:25] Speaker B: They were building all the NASCARs. Oh yeah, GT 40s and, and all that sort of thing. Then you had Shelby doing the Cobras and other bits and pieces. [00:52:34] Speaker A: Yeah, it's an interesting. There's a few YouTube videos of, of the home of the moody stuff on Stapleton 42 on. [00:52:49] Speaker A: On YouTube. So which is pretty good I suppose, you know, where, where are we looking at as far as say new competitors coming along? [00:53:01] Speaker A: Where does the, where does the club go? Where's the, where's the club going to and from? Is there a, is there a long term vision of the club? [00:53:14] Speaker B: Not well, I mean there's, there's new members joining every year and the class itself, I mean historic motorsport is the fastest growing form of motorsport anywhere in the world. So we, you know, we sort of tack on to that, I guess. But there's new members that do appear. We had a young guy a couple of years ago that fronted with a helmet hunter. [00:53:39] Speaker B: And there's quite a lot of camaraderie in the club whereby if somebody fronts with something like that or they're having issues at race meetings or what, everyone gets in and helps out and I mean the last meeting at Collie a couple of weeks ago, a good mate of mine's just started racing a Valiant Pacer. So I, I didn't bother about qualifying. I just got him to follow me around for a few laps in qualifying. So just showing him some lines down there that, that he could use. [00:54:06] Speaker A: So. [00:54:08] Speaker A: That'S awesome. So. [00:54:12] Speaker A: Yeah, we're nearly at the end of this part of the interview. Excuse me. [00:54:20] Speaker A: And we've got some. We'll have Don stick around the part two of the interview. It's more about. More racing and. [00:54:32] Speaker A: Where they're. Where they're going. But it's been another fascinating hour of power on Talking talk with Don Beh from the Western Australian Historic Touring Car Association. Now with all our guests, we ask them for some music and it's another interesting, interesting four songs from our. From our guests. So we'll play some music, we'll have a drink and it's two old friends having a chat about race cars. [00:55:11] Speaker B: So before we play the music, can I interject? [00:55:15] Speaker A: Yes. [00:55:20] Speaker B: The songs I've selected. At high school we had a very, very good music teacher who had. [00:55:28] Speaker A: A. [00:55:28] Speaker B: Lot of inroads in the Australian music industry. So the songs I've selected are actually from bands that I saw at lunchtime in our school hall when we were growing up from years I would have been 12 years old through. And I didn't pick an AC DC song or a Skyhook song. But we. There was one year where we had Skyhooks. Came to the school as the main support act at. At the end of year, Form 6 or whatever it was. [00:56:06] Speaker B: Era. No, I wasn't old enough for that then. I would have been Form 3 or something. But the support band of Skyhawks was some unknown little mob called ACDC and they played in our school hall for our end of year. So the. So all the songs on here are from band apart from the last one that are bands that I saw in our school hall. [00:56:32] Speaker A: It's really interesting that you say that because the Australian. [00:56:37] Speaker A: Sound like acdc. Like, you know, there was Billy Flopping, the Aztecs, you know, there was those Melbourne bands. You know, people forget that. [00:56:49] Speaker A: ACDC were related to Vander and Young. [00:56:56] Speaker B: Harry Vander, George Young, Harry Van the. [00:56:58] Speaker A: George Young, which were the Easy Easy Beats and the. The young guys in acdc, they were actually. [00:57:10] Speaker A: One was a printer, Angus. Angus Young was a printer and his sister designed the first AC DC poster and it was at a school for a school function back in the 70s. [00:57:28] Speaker B: And Bon Scott, of course was from WA. [00:57:31] Speaker A: Yeah, Bon Scott was in. In on that note, Bon Scott. ACDC used to start all their tours in Western Australia. And Bon Scott's mum passed away some years ago, but she used to sit in the control tower of their shows from what I'm told. So we've got some. [00:57:56] Speaker A: Some great music coming up on Talking Talk. [00:57:59] Speaker B: It might not be great music for some people, but it might be interesting. [00:58:04] Speaker A: It's always interesting. We always have. There's always somebody say, hey, I knew that. I saw that, I went there, I saw that, you know, and we've got, you know, we've got some good stuff happening. So here we go on Talking Talk. [00:58:20] Speaker B: The best music from the 60s to today. IPL radio. [00:58:25] Speaker A: Hey, hey, hey. Back with Talking Talk. And some great 70s music from that was picked out by Don, president of the Western Australian Historic Touring Car Club. [00:58:39] Speaker B: Not president, aren't you Member? [00:58:41] Speaker A: Oh, member, president. Same thing. Yeah, it's all, it's all the same. [00:58:46] Speaker A: Yeah. We've got Dumbbeck and he's not going anywhere anytime soon because we've got a lot to talk about. [00:58:52] Speaker A: Who is the patron of the club and does the club have a patron dog? [00:58:56] Speaker B: Yes. So at the moment it's Mike Moywin. So Mike is pretty much the original six million dollar man. He's had more surgeries than anybody else could ever even think about. But he's a great mate of mine. He's competed in open wheelers and touring cars since the 70s and he still competes today. So he's been a great ongoing sponsor and supporter of the group for many years. [00:59:22] Speaker B: He's literally an old warrior. He loves doing Target Tasmania and he's 64 galaxy. [00:59:28] Speaker A: Yes. [00:59:28] Speaker B: And driving anything and everything he can. And he's also the guy who started the, the replica COBRA business in WA in the mid-80s. [00:59:38] Speaker A: Okay. [00:59:39] Speaker B: To supplement his, his other business. [00:59:43] Speaker B: So yeah, got that up and running and I guess that's pretty much where the 63 galaxy interest came from because we were playing around with the Cobra replicas and you know, the 427 engines and all that sort of thing and that's where all that developed from. [01:00:05] Speaker A: What's Mike's main business? [01:00:08] Speaker B: Moylan Grain Silos. So he would be the WA's biggest grain silo manufacturer. [01:00:17] Speaker B: And they delivered, they make everything on site themselves out at caliber and deliver all around the state. And literally it is just a great business, great family business. His son Corey basically runs it now and you know you've got grandkids coming through and it's a good thing. Yep. [01:00:39] Speaker A: Made in Australia. Made in Western Australia. That's what we want to see we want to see more made of, made Australian. That's fantastic. Also, what's the most prolific, prolific car. [01:00:53] Speaker B: Would have to be the Mini Cooper S's in group nb. Yep, there's hordes of them, squadrons of cohorts of them, herds of little piss. [01:01:05] Speaker B: But seriously, there's some very, very good Mini drivers in Wall street and some excellent tuners and builders of those cars. So if I give you an example, at one of our big meetings last year there was enough of them to justify a Mini only race. So for that event we had competitors from South Australia, Queensland and even England. So Nick Swift, the Mini guru from England did two meetings with us last year and one of those meetings he did that Mini race. [01:01:37] Speaker A: Fantastic. That's one for Ron Simmons, the Mini man of Melbourne. [01:01:44] Speaker A: You know, made his name in Minis. Ron Simmons, well known historic racing commentator these days, car dealer of Ringwood Mazda and all sorts of salt caravans with Alan Jones in England. Race Billy carts against Ellen Jones and nearly one. We know where that Billy cart that beat Ron is and it's in Melbourne and it's, it's loved by the custodian of that car. So yeah, it's a good looking car. Minis. Why, what's it with Minis? [01:02:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know. I guess it's because, well, hey, there's enough enthusiasts here to justify it, but there's also guys here that are good at making, building, maintaining them and. [01:02:33] Speaker B: And the two tracks here suit the smaller cars. So if, I mean you can't beat the brute horsepower of the 69 camaros and mustangs. But apart from that, neither of the tracks here have got, have really got a big long straight. I mean I would love a great big uphill straight for the galaxy to stretch its legs. [01:02:54] Speaker A: Oh, you feel a bowl and be perfect. [01:02:56] Speaker B: But we just don't have that here. So I think, you know, again, if you forget the, the Camaro and the Mustangs, a Lotus Cortina or a Cooper S is probably a car to have for the, the two tracks here. [01:03:09] Speaker A: Yeah, and are they like, obviously if there's a lot of them, then obviously they're, they're on the cheaper side of racing, I guess. [01:03:22] Speaker B: So I, I still sort of think probably Mark 1 Cortina in GT form is probably the quickest or, sorry, the cheapest way to go. But again, you know, there's, there's really good people here that can build those Minis and I think that's where. [01:03:40] Speaker A: It. [01:03:41] Speaker B: Kind of comes from because they know where to go. To get them fixed and built and maintained and. [01:03:47] Speaker A: Yeah, it's, it's real. That's really interesting because you, you sort of never. You always think of the Mini zap period of time between what, 64, 65, 66 come 67. And the XR GT and Monaro. Excuse me. And it's sort of that wipe the Minis. Yep. [01:04:11] Speaker A: Skinny Manton, I mean, well known whether it be. And sort of he was. He was up there. But once you put a 289, 302, and. [01:04:24] Speaker A: Then you obviously get the, the bigger 351. And then obviously in the Falcon, and I'm on a 350chevron, a Monaro, and then you get the Camaro and then you get the bigger Mustang. [01:04:38] Speaker A: Yeah, they fell by the wayside, but, you know, there's nothing like a good fast Mini. The Italian Job kills it. Kills it. [01:04:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:04:49] Speaker A: And some of those, Some of those sequences that they filmed and stuff like that, I mean, the Mini was fantastic. [01:04:58] Speaker B: Yeah, they were terrific, that movie. [01:05:01] Speaker A: Yeah. It's just an amazing. It's an amazing period of time. It's not. You're not racing. I mean, I mean, you're not racing for sheep stations, but some people are. They do race for sheep stations. Other people race for the camaraderie. Other people race to be competitive in themselves. Other people just like to race, I suppose, you know, everyone's got their own. [01:05:26] Speaker B: I guess it comes back. And in my instance, and I'm sure it's the same for a lot of guys, it's just. You race your favorite car. [01:05:35] Speaker A: Yeah, you. You love your favorite car. Your favorite car from your childhood. [01:05:40] Speaker B: That's it. [01:05:41] Speaker A: That's what the music we're playing is. The music of our or someone's childhood. Some of mine, too. But that's okay. I get that. [01:05:49] Speaker B: I didn't pick the next slot. [01:05:50] Speaker A: Now the next one. The next one is sort of. [01:05:54] Speaker A: A little bit more of the 70s that used to, you know, play around the. Play around the streets of Melbourne. But. [01:06:05] Speaker A: What sort of horsepower are we looking for a. For a Mustang or the Galaxy? Is it. Yeah. We talking mega numbers or we talking Mustangs? [01:06:13] Speaker B: The Mustangs and Camaros would have to have over 600 horses. I've got just on that. But. [01:06:20] Speaker B: I don't. I mean, I, you know, we're on the budget side of racing, I guess, even though it is a car like that. But I don't stretch it. I mean, I, I don't take mine past 6000 revs where some of these other Things I believe they're out to 8,000 revs in them and so they're, you know, they're, they're pushing them hard. [01:06:41] Speaker A: Yeah, 600 horsepower is nearly. I suppose some sports, I mean sports sedans have that amount of power. 600. I mean the sports sedan's a fully rose jointed cage. [01:06:56] Speaker A: Car obviously would go a lot quicker in a straight line and probably turn a lot better. [01:07:02] Speaker B: The other thing with that having, you know, that sort of horsepower, you can't necessarily put it all to the ground in one hit. You've got to be gentle on clutches and gearboxes and rear ends. [01:07:13] Speaker A: Yeah, you've got to feed it in. You have to. You can't just drop the clutch at 7,500 and hope for the best because sometimes you will destroy everything from an axle to a gearbox to a yoke to a tail shaft, a clutch to maybe an engine and your wallet. Well, let's. [01:07:35] Speaker A: Remember somebody once saying to me motorsport is like washing, going to the shower and washing a hundred dollar bills. [01:07:44] Speaker A: Down the drain and that. And that's true. I mean I suppose, you know motorsport is. [01:07:52] Speaker A: Is like a nuclear war at times and they the powers to be motorsport. Australia, Australia try to rein it in and you know we have. That's where we've got all these control classes and not everybody likes a control class, you know. [01:08:09] Speaker A: So yeah, so we're at that, we're at that stage, you know, so. So Don, tell us about the Western Australian scene and. [01:08:23] Speaker A: Where it's at. So tell us. Like what I'm interested to know is there's obviously a Western Australian scene of cars. There's obviously a Western Australian scene, scene of. [01:08:38] Speaker A: All sorts of different, all sorts of different things. And you know, where's that scene? Where is it at as far as cars, as far as people, as far as all of that? Because you have a car scene, you might have an early falcon scene and everyone's got a V8 or everyone's got, everyone's got this or everyone's got that. [01:09:07] Speaker B: Well, I guess, I mean as individuals we all meet up at race meetings and that sort of thing. So. [01:09:17] Speaker B: Outside of that, I mean there's social functions that we have. [01:09:20] Speaker A: Yes. [01:09:22] Speaker B: And there's you know, the car clubs around. I mean the all Ford day and all cries the day and that. The, the individuals with individual cars will do some of those sorts of things. [01:09:32] Speaker A: Y. [01:09:35] Speaker B: Cars and coffee. The guys get together some of the time for that sort of thing. [01:09:40] Speaker A: Yeah, that's. Do they take. Obviously they're not going to take their race cars out. Can't take your race car but well. [01:09:47] Speaker B: Mind you, the one of the guys with the Jag drives his car to the track and drives it around. [01:09:53] Speaker A: I suppose, you know, that's the ultimate. That's the ultimate way that they did it back in the day. Yeah, they, they, they drove to the track and drove home. I know that I've done that in a. In another life that I drove to the track, competed, drove home and just for all those people listening, that sound that you're hearing is rain. [01:10:20] Speaker A: Yes, it's just hitting the roof and it is bucketing down. It is torrential here at the studio. It's just. You can just hear it. You can hear it through the headsets. Truly amazing. [01:10:34] Speaker A: Tell us about the other cars, Don. Tell us about some sports itines. [01:10:39] Speaker B: Well wa. [01:10:41] Speaker B: There was. There was a lot of cars from the east coast that ended up here. [01:10:47] Speaker B: At one stage and I guess it was. Well, you can say that it was almost a dumping ground for cars. So you know, the Beachy HK ended up here. Bob Jones V8XG1 Torana ended up here. [01:11:05] Speaker B: The answer Charger ended up here. [01:11:09] Speaker B: Yeah, I can rattle off any other number. There was quite a few Brock Tiranas and a lot. Quite a few groups. He Commodores were here. [01:11:19] Speaker A: Yep. [01:11:21] Speaker B: Most of them have gone back to the east coast now. [01:11:24] Speaker A: Yes. [01:11:27] Speaker B: But yeah it was, it was an interesting. Well you know there was. There was. [01:11:34] Speaker B: One of the factory falcons from Bathurst 1970. [01:11:38] Speaker A: Yes. [01:11:39] Speaker B: Was here. [01:11:42] Speaker B: And then Dave McKay's Finney Ford car from 1971. Bathurst was here. That car came third that year. That was here. That's now restored back in South Australia. [01:11:58] Speaker B: Yeah there was a lot of cars that did. Did gravitate to here. [01:12:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:12:06] Speaker B: And I guess that was because you know their racing days on the east coast where it was more competitive were over and yes and they were sold off and the. There was a guy here who used to run the Ex Gagan Monaro sports sedan that was here for some time and I think it's actually back here now. I think it's been bought and it's in a museum here. [01:12:31] Speaker A: I'm told that. I think it's a race. Stubborn Paul, stubborn. I believe it's in bubble. [01:12:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:39] Speaker A: So I believe that car's in. In the Bumbery museum with the Vescander. [01:12:44] Speaker B: Yeah. And Paul's also got one of the Moffat RX7s. [01:12:49] Speaker A: Yep. [01:12:52] Speaker B: You know, if you're talking other history cars, Mike Moylan has got the Donovan Group C, the Ex Rod Donovan Group C. Falcon. So that car, although it wasn't ultra successful on the east coast or successful at all on the east coast, it's got two Bathurst under its belt. It's done a number of target Tasmanias and it's, it's a real time capsule that car in that it's never ever been pulled apart. So most of the, you know, the teams at the time, even Moffat himself, they pulled their XCs apart to build their XDs. [01:13:26] Speaker A: Yes. [01:13:27] Speaker B: Whereas this car was never pulled apart from that point of view. So it's still actually wearing all its original body panels. So again, for a car that, that is, that has competed in some form every, every year of its life. [01:13:45] Speaker B: Is pretty amazing. [01:13:47] Speaker A: But it's fascinating. It's fascinating that a car like that survives. You hear about like obviously, you know, the Moffat's, the Dick Johnson cars, they went, they got cannibalized from group C to, to, to XDS. Yeah, they'll still Group Cs but they obviously they went from XC to, to XD and then XC Murray Carter, the same thing. You know, the only thing that was changed, that changed was the body shell, but the running gear and everything was still, you know, their Falcon. [01:14:21] Speaker A: You know, because Ford wasn't really interested and it was just the, the back room boys in the design studio designing a. The bodywork. Wayne Draper. Yep. The late Wayne Draper designing the bodywork for the xc. His son. [01:14:37] Speaker A: They're still making those body kits now and they're, they're sort of doing a really good job. So the, so the Moylan xb. [01:14:46] Speaker A: How long is, how long has that been here in wa. [01:14:49] Speaker B: From new. [01:14:50] Speaker A: From new. [01:14:51] Speaker B: Yeah. So it was a, it was a body shell supplied by Ford to Rod Donovan, who was a Ford dealer at the time. [01:14:58] Speaker A: Yes. [01:15:00] Speaker B: And Rod also had connection to. Earlier on with that with. [01:15:05] Speaker B: With the Ford dealer at Kalgoorlie that had the, the other two cars, the EX Bathurst cars. So there was a connection there with all of them. Then he built the car up as an ex. So it's an XA Shell. Yes, that was built up as an XB and then it was updated to, to XC. [01:15:24] Speaker A: Yes. [01:15:25] Speaker B: So then. [01:15:28] Speaker B: That ran Bathurst in 77 as an XB and then ran Bathurst in 78 as an XC. [01:15:33] Speaker A: Yes. [01:15:37] Speaker B: At the end of 77 with Moffat's, you know, the famous 1:2 finish. Ford weren't continuing sponsorship even for Moffat after that. So into 78 there was a guy who, who actually built Bond's car 2 at. And the unfinished car 3, which then went to Jim Keogh. [01:15:58] Speaker B: So Dale Sudholtz built car 2 and 3. [01:16:03] Speaker A: Yes. [01:16:04] Speaker B: So Rod Donovan flew Sudholtz to WA in early 78 to basically put all the go fast bits and little bits of trickery and whatever they were doing on the Moffat cars into the Donovan coupe. [01:16:21] Speaker A: Yes. [01:16:23] Speaker B: So that car has got, you know, all of that sort of thing in it. Well, and the co driver from 1978, Craig McAllister, we sat in the car in 2017, there was a little sprint that they used to do up at Port Denison and Craig hadn't actually sat in the car since Bathurst 78. So we reunited him with it and got him to drive it at that sprint. [01:16:52] Speaker A: So. Yep. So he ran it around McAllister McCallister, McAllister Ford or. No, no, no, because McAllister, it was a McAllister Ford. I'm not sure whether it was back Easter in wa. Some of the other cars, the Charger, the. The. It's probably one of the most famous sports sedans made. [01:17:15] Speaker B: The answer. [01:17:16] Speaker A: The answer charger, John McCormick Cormac car. And you owned it for a long, long time. [01:17:21] Speaker B: Yeah, I had it. Well, incomplete. I had it for nearly 30 years, I guess. [01:17:29] Speaker B: And at the time. So it was pulled apart after its racing life. So 80. [01:17:38] Speaker B: Or 6, 1985, 1986, it was pulled apart and the guy who had it then was going to use all the componentry in it to build an XJS Jaguar body shell sports sedan. Which in effect was what McCormack had done in the era. He got rid of the Charger and built the first of the. Yes, the Jaguars. [01:18:01] Speaker B: So I grabbed it and basically we just tucked it away. I mean it was a car that as a kid I used to love seeing. My grandfather used to take me to motor racing. We used to watch the Charger. He was working at a Chrysler dealership at the time. So when it come up, I had to have it, I had to grab it and we'd always said as a static display that we would put it all back together, paint it up in the original livery and all that sort of thing and just have it sitting in the garage or to the side or whatever. And it actually made it onto the chassis plate three or four times and then got taken off because something else had to be done. So I never did anything with it apart from collect or find not only the missing pieces or not so much the missing pieces, but where they were. [01:18:57] Speaker A: Yes. [01:18:58] Speaker B: So that if anybody or if, you know, if there was large amounts of money happening, it was all Available we knew it all was. I did manage to get hold of the, the unused aluminum panels that they stamped for the car because that car, well it had a recto holding engine, it had had Lucas mechanical fuel insist fuel injection. And then the rules of the class then obviously and still are now is that a front engine car, it still had to have a gearbox and a transax and a diff. [01:19:32] Speaker A: Yes. [01:19:32] Speaker B: So what they did with the Charger, what John did when he built the Charger, they had, they had one hu and sitting behind the engine running as the gearbox with the transaxle section removed. And then beyond that they had a second Hewland running as the diff with all the gear mechanism removed. Now those two components alone are worth a trillion dollars. You know the Repco Holden engine, you know. Well the Repco Holden engine that was in the Charger originally went into another sports sedan which is a well known car. So. [01:20:11] Speaker B: Mark Trenowith who, who had bought and raced John McCormack's Jaguar. [01:20:19] Speaker A: Yes. [01:20:20] Speaker B: Mark was always interested in buying the Charger. [01:20:24] Speaker A: Yep. [01:20:24] Speaker B: And Mark's good mates with John. So I'd always said to, to Mark, you know, if, if I ever do get rid of it, you're, you're first in sort of thing. And then it got to a point where I don't know, must be. When did it debut? 2018. So he had it finished in 27. I must have sold it to him about 2014. 2015. [01:20:48] Speaker A: Yep. [01:20:50] Speaker B: And he, he's done a terrific job restoring it. The car looks a million bucks. And I was invited to basketball in 2018. [01:21:00] Speaker A: Yes. [01:21:00] Speaker B: To view the car the first time they, they ran it properly and we dragged the galaxies over for that meeting. The historic meeting at basketball in 2018. [01:21:11] Speaker A: Yes. [01:21:13] Speaker B: So yeah, and I spoke to John then. I'd spoke to John, you know, quite a few times over the years when I had the car. But yeah, no, I was happy. I always wondered how I'd feel seeing that car restored. But it's terrific. He's done a great job and he's used a lot of the guys or relatives of the guys who were involved with it when they first built it. [01:21:39] Speaker B: So yeah, no, it's going to a good home. Yep. I'd still love to have a driver. But. [01:21:46] Speaker A: Tell us the story about the panels. [01:21:52] Speaker A: Because there's an interesting story about. [01:21:54] Speaker B: Anecdotally what they went, that they, they pressed Alcoa apparently donated aluminum sheet and they went in at some point Saturday morning or whatever into the presses, the cries, the presses and they were pushing the aluminium through. But of course, aluminum's got, you know, different characteristics to steel. [01:22:20] Speaker A: Yes. [01:22:20] Speaker B: So it kept tearing the aluminum. So, and this is anecdotal, what I'd been told was they actually greased the presses. So the aluminium had a bit of slippage. [01:22:34] Speaker A: Yes. [01:22:35] Speaker B: And then maybe they didn't clean the presses well enough afterwards. And whether there was warranty jobs on paint, on panels that were going on to standard panels that were made after that, there was some quaint little stories around that. [01:22:53] Speaker A: Antidotal. That's. That's the first that you've heard on Talking Talk and entered. [01:22:58] Speaker B: Anecdotal. [01:22:59] Speaker A: Anecdotal, you know, because, you know, I mean, even Ford did it on a Saturday morning. You hear about the Saturday morning or a Friday afternoon. You hear about. [01:23:12] Speaker A: Things that were done at the Ford factory on us on a Saturday morning. And now you've heard about things that may have happened and did happen. [01:23:22] Speaker A: At. Cries. What was it? Horsley Park. In. In. [01:23:28] Speaker B: I've gone blank. [01:23:29] Speaker A: Yeah. In Adelaide. Yeah. Tonsley park or the single Horsley Parks in New South Wales. [01:23:34] Speaker B: But they also pressed. Sorry. They also press panel aluminum panels for the Ian Diffin sports sedan, which was a car that was sort of uniquely wa. And that car still survives and it's a collector who's got that now and he. He fronts up with it for different meetings. The other thing we had here last year, they did a festival of speed up at. Up at Wanneroo and we had quite a few original cars there. Tim Slaco was there with one of the original. [01:24:05] Speaker B: The Barbagello car Commodores. The black VN Commodore. [01:24:09] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. [01:24:10] Speaker B: Dick Ward's well known here with his little Fiat sports Sedan and Dick's 82 years old. [01:24:15] Speaker A: Yeah. We'd love to have Dick on the. We're going to try and get Dick on the. In the studio or on the phone in the next season of Talking Talk, but we'll come. We'll come up with that later. [01:24:29] Speaker A: Geez, I'm just having a heart attack. Are you just. Yeah, I mean, I suppose there's a lot of cars. A lot of. I know the. The Ella Moffat. [01:24:41] Speaker A: EBS here too, in Western Australia. [01:24:45] Speaker A: So there's some. There's some really good cars. So what. What other cars. What other cars have you. Have you tracked down? Wa. Done. [01:24:56] Speaker B: I think we just. I think we just ran through most of them, but there was. Yeah, I mean, there's others here. [01:25:05] Speaker B: You know, some of the. There was a Brock Tarana that came here at one stage, which I don't think has ever been found. There was a few other speedway cars. There's a Curtis Craft frame that everyone was looking for at one stage and. [01:25:20] Speaker B: Yeah, quite a few. So some of the group C Commodores. Yes, they ended up here. Now a lot of those cars I think went back when Bob Jane started the Thunderdome. The Thunderdome, they went back as Oscars. [01:25:34] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:25:34] Speaker B: Because effectively they had all the running gear and. [01:25:37] Speaker A: Effectively, yes, correct everything that. Yeah. [01:25:40] Speaker B: So quite a few of those are probably non existent. The urn, Abbott Valiant, the Earn Abbott series Valley. [01:25:49] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. That ended up out here also. [01:25:51] Speaker B: Dick Roberts bought that. Yep. So that was another car that I was looking for when I, when I first come to WA in the mid-80s. So that car. [01:26:04] Speaker B: So I spoke to Ern Abbott about a car decades ago in would have been in the mid-80s and he, he filled me in on what that car was. So there was five car according to to. [01:26:20] Speaker B: Earn at the time there was five cars that were bought in very early on in the piece by Chrysler as complete knockdown CKDs. [01:26:30] Speaker B: Now the car that Earn Abbott had was painted in a light blue color which was Victorian police blue. [01:26:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:26:41] Speaker B: And that car was given to the Victorian police as an evaluation vehicle. Now it failed the braking tests and Ern was telling me this. So he bought it at auction say on the Tuesday. They took the air cleaners off it and ran it at Sandown on the Saturday. [01:26:59] Speaker A: Yes. [01:26:59] Speaker B: And the car had no brakes. So when they took it back to the workshop and had a good look at it in, in the ckd, the complete knockdown build up if you like, the front brake lines had been pinched closed somehow so the car had no front brakes. [01:27:20] Speaker B: So once Burn fixed that issue the car was as good as it could have been. [01:27:27] Speaker A: It was a mighty car. There's reports from Sandown that, you know he, he actually ran out of brakes a couple of times and then put it away and then the reports were, that was sorted. [01:27:43] Speaker A: Reports were that then Victoria police took it for a run and thought or what's happened and then obviously Ern sort of filled them in but it was too late by then that they'd already gone. The Lotus Cortina or the GT version or whatever. [01:27:58] Speaker B: Yeah, well I think they, they, I think they hung onto this, the Victorian police hung onto their Studie Bakers or they went Studie Baker or, or whatever from that era. But, but Dick Roberts bought that car and bought and brought it to wa. [01:28:11] Speaker B: And here it's, it's known as, you know, Dick Roberts's series I tried to find it and yeah, the, the trail went cold in the mid-80s and if it was the car, it was absolutely rotten. [01:28:27] Speaker A: Yes. [01:28:29] Speaker B: And, and had been completely disguised. You know, horrible color with a V8 in it and all cut about and all sorts of things. [01:28:37] Speaker A: But yeah, yeah, no, even like, even like with. As far as early falcons goes, we, we've been, we've been looking for the Miss Australia. [01:28:48] Speaker B: The Falcon. [01:28:49] Speaker A: The Falcon. No, the falcon ute that made into convertibles. [01:28:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Yep. [01:28:53] Speaker A: And we, we'd heard for many, many years that they made their way out to Western Australia. [01:29:01] Speaker A: And you know, we've, since I've been here past 18 months, we put the feelers out to a lot of people and we have not seen, hide nor hear of them or heard that they were here. Only stories though. Just recently I heard that a. [01:29:22] Speaker A: Family member had had a convertible Falcon in the 60s and it wasn't an American car. So I'm still yet to track down the gentleman. I know where he is, I know what he does. [01:29:40] Speaker A: That's been, it's been on the back burner. [01:29:44] Speaker A: Galaxies. You know, obviously the Galaxies are. [01:29:51] Speaker A: A rare car to race in Australia and obviously we only know of. Well, there's a handful that raced in the day and the most famous one would be the Lex Davison four door. Yeah. [01:30:04] Speaker B: The Len Luki car. [01:30:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:30:06] Speaker B: So that's the red four door car. [01:30:09] Speaker A: That's correct. [01:30:11] Speaker B: So that car, that car was ordered by Bob Jane and len Lucky in 1962. [01:30:20] Speaker B: And it was originally thought that they would get Jack Brabham to drive it in Australia in the off season of Formula one in much the same way that Dan Gurney was running the Impala in Europe. [01:30:32] Speaker A: Yes. [01:30:33] Speaker B: Now the reason that car is a four door in the original Appendix J rules every any car over 3,000cc had to be a four door. [01:30:41] Speaker A: Yes. [01:30:42] Speaker B: So, so that car still survives and it's now now in the Bowden Collection in Queensland. [01:30:49] Speaker B: So it would. So it was ordered in 62 and then there was a model change to the 63 Galaxy which is what it came over in. So the car was produced and I've got the car's full history at home. But the car was produced in one plant in America and then sent to Holman and Moody. [01:31:09] Speaker A: Yes. [01:31:11] Speaker B: And it is the only four door H M car that, that was built and the employees at Holman and Moody at the time used to refer to it as a shopping car that went to Australia because of course they, they, that's what they considered four doors. [01:31:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:31:30] Speaker B: And it was built as a 406 because the 427 wasn't available at that time. [01:31:37] Speaker A: Yes. [01:31:37] Speaker B: So it was a 406,4 speed. [01:31:41] Speaker B: With obviously all the Holman and Moody NASCAR type. It had the big Lincoln hubs on it and, and all sorts of things. So. [01:31:50] Speaker B: There was also some spares and bits and pieces that came with it which Dennis o' Brien ended up with some of that stuff in Wagga Wagga and Dennis built his. So the car Dennis raced in 1982, which there's a famous bit of footage on YouTube of that race that was built up from a lot of the bits and pieces from the spares of that car. [01:32:17] Speaker A: It's a bit of history of that car because you know had in the day it even made the front page of the Melbourne sun with. [01:32:27] Speaker A: Lex Davin saying the tried to kill me. [01:32:30] Speaker B: You know that. I'm not sure whether that was that car or the Gwain Bailey car, the white two door car. [01:32:38] Speaker B: But yeah, in either case so. So both of those cars at some point in time fairly close to each other went through the fence at Sandown and. And some people remember the red car going through and some people remember the white Wayne Bailey car is going through. Through. [01:32:56] Speaker A: Well Sir Gwain Bailey. [01:32:59] Speaker A: Sort of, he's sort of now deceased but he was the biggest stamp collector in England. He had the most un. He was a sir. [01:33:15] Speaker A: And. [01:33:17] Speaker A: Yeah he had, he had one of the largest stamp collectors stamp collections in England worth millions of dollars in the day when people collected stamps and they sent sent letters around the world. We don't do that these days. But it's thanks, thanks to Australia post at A$70 a stamp these days. Everything's via email and. [01:33:40] Speaker B: Email. [01:33:41] Speaker A: Yeah, everything's via email these days. So yeah, so yeah, it's another interesting story. I know our good friend El Toro. [01:33:51] Speaker A: Is into his Holman and Moody cars and he has an original. [01:33:59] Speaker A: Drag car that he's. That he bought out of America from. Was he bought it from a one owner somewhere in the States. We had him on the, we had him on the show about. [01:34:12] Speaker A: Two months ago. Him and our good friend Von Custard. Von Custard, El Toro and myself, the fat man talking about cars, talking about hamburgers, talking about all sorts of stuff. But he's the holman, the moody Mr. Ford performance, total performance guru that we know of. Good friend of ours. [01:34:33] Speaker B: So there was also a time with that red car, you know the red four door Galaxy that Len Luke, sorry Norm Beachy ran it in Neptune colors at one Stage with the teardrop bonnet on it. And I think, I know I've seen footage of that, of it coming off the ferry either in Tasmania or coming back to Victoria after a race meeting in, in Tassie. But. And then it must have been put back into its red livery and sold off as a race, as a road car at one stage. [01:35:06] Speaker A: Okay, that'd be interesting to get even. Like one of my new things at Talking Talk is to go and have a chat to Norm and see if I can get Norm Beachy on the radio from his house in Melbourne. Norm was 93, still going to all the historic meetings. Last seen Winton Historics a couple of weeks ago with our good friend Stephen Stockdale from SS Auto Memorabilia. And Ron Simmons was there and there was a, there was a few guys there, so. And Norm Sprightly, 93 and his wife Margaret still going to the historic meeting. So that's, we've. That's one of my aims is to get Norm Norman Beachy on the, on the phone before Christmas. And I suppose, you know, he hasn't raced for what, 60 years now. [01:36:07] Speaker A: A lot of people would have forgotten who Nor Beachy was, but without people like Bob Jane, Norm Beachy, Ern Abbott. [01:36:22] Speaker A: Lesser Estate, Ellen Moffat, Skinny Manton, those guys that sold cards, the Blanchards, they sold cars, the Geogens in Sydney. Without them, Australia wouldn't have a motorsport history because they're the ones that. [01:36:41] Speaker A: They'Re all car dealers, wheeler and dealer sort of type of guys and they saw the value in race cars. [01:36:51] Speaker B: So which is interesting because again, in that era they weren't allowed to run advertising or signage. [01:37:00] Speaker B: And that's the same with our class today. [01:37:03] Speaker A: Yes. [01:37:03] Speaker B: So you're not allowed to run advertising or signage, but we are allowed to run the driver's name on the front guard, which is what they did in the era. You're allowed to have your state letters on the side, which is usually on the back quarter panel. [01:37:19] Speaker B: Now the only thing that the historic commission have allowed in recent times is that we're allowed to have category sponsors. [01:37:26] Speaker A: Yes. [01:37:27] Speaker B: So in wa, our approved category sponsors are Axis Hire, which we run the banner on the windscreen. [01:37:35] Speaker A: Yes. [01:37:36] Speaker B: Moyle and Grain Silos have their logo next to our race numbers and Perth Brake Parts have their decal above our race numbers and that's all we're allowed to do. So, you know, there's a lot of guys that are new to the class think they can come in and, you know, put their own business name all over the car, which, which they can't and the other thing too is. [01:38:01] Speaker B: There'S no kind of out there type liveries. Deliveries have to be period, if you like. You know, you can't front with a. [01:38:13] Speaker B: Carbon fiber look I guess, all over. [01:38:15] Speaker A: The car, but yeah, you gotta, I suppose you gotta, you've. You've got to prepare a car that was raced and seen in the period of what, 1962 or to 1971 or whatever it is. You gotta, you gotta, you've got to present your car in the livery of that era of time. And the Historic Commission are very. [01:38:44] Speaker A: Very strict on that. Even going down to the cars that we've been talking about, the, the Group N cars, they don't have to have a. [01:38:56] Speaker A: They don't have to have a certificate of description, but they have to be in the period of the time that they race that where other cars of that era, I would say. [01:39:11] Speaker A: Group q historics from 19 in the 70s to 77, they would have to run in period. And if they ran with sponsorship, it would have to be the sponsorship of the period that the car ran in. And you have to forward the Historic Commission and the eligibility officers photographs, magazine articles of when the car ran, where it ran, what sponsorship it ran for the eligibility officer to okay the sponsorship on the car, and not only the eligibility officer, but then that the eligibility officer would forward that to Motorsport Australia, the Historic Commission. And the Historic Commission would sit down and have a look at your proposal of how you're going to present your motor vehicle to race. [01:40:08] Speaker A: That's in the nutshell, because I'll go through that. And the only way to get around that. [01:40:16] Speaker A: Is to have your advertising on magnets, magnetic strip, put them on the car and it's great, you can have them on the car in the pits and drive it around, but as soon as they get ready in park firm, take them off, race in that period, when it comes back, put them back on. That's probably the only, the only way you're going to get it done. And then some historic purists wouldn't like that at all. [01:40:46] Speaker B: No. [01:40:49] Speaker A: Yeah, I could put my, I could put my hand up to say, yes, I was one of those. I read the rules correctly. And they weren't very happy with me for, for a number of years. [01:41:05] Speaker A: Because I used to run the car as an open, open sports car. [01:41:12] Speaker A: So. So, yeah, so now we've got some. [01:41:17] Speaker A: Does the club have any plans to travel east on? [01:41:22] Speaker B: Not as a club as such, but quite a few of our members regularly race on the east coast. [01:41:29] Speaker A: Yes. [01:41:29] Speaker B: So you Know the historic meetings at Philip island and Sandown which we've touched on and Winton basketball in Tassie Bathurst is an obvious one that the guys like to go to. Tail and Bend is. I'd like to do Tail and bend. [01:41:46] Speaker A: It's a bit closer and. [01:41:48] Speaker B: And Malala, Malala had a good. Apparently the, the meeting they had earlier on in the year around Anzac Day there was a good meeting so we did. I did have intentions myself of going to that one and other things happened and we couldn't get there but that's something that I'd be looking at doing. [01:42:05] Speaker A: This I'm told from the historic sports then guys Ernie the amoe Mall are Mr. Ernie, Corey, Mark Sully and those guys. I reckon Malala is the go y. They just loved it and other people that we know that go there and the historic sports make it their first round of the John McCormack series. And everybody loves Gunamalala for one reason or another. It's just another. It's a great event run by the Sporting Car Club of South Australia. [01:42:45] Speaker A: And it's owned by the Shinans that own Tail and Bend. I mean they've actually put a lot of money into Malala to get it up to scratch and they've done a fine job in doing that. [01:43:00] Speaker A: They've. They've made Tail and Bend a world class. [01:43:05] Speaker A: Racetrack. They've got the drag track up and going now. It's cool. It's called Shell park or something. [01:43:13] Speaker B: I'm not sure what they're called something. [01:43:15] Speaker A: Like that because they, they actually sold all their service stations to, to the brand that owns Shell Downstream. So Downstream is a company that's not called Downstream but it's a company that runs all the, all the Shell service stations. Shell don't actually own any service station anymore. They only own the petroleum that comes out of the ground or the oil that comes out of the ground and they, and then every. Everything else is now under their name. But the Iran talks so highly of racing at Malala. [01:43:52] Speaker A: Used to be like Anzac Day was on the Friday. That's the Anzac Day weekend. That's how they promoted. [01:43:58] Speaker B: Yeah, that was over that weekend. It was also. Accommodation was tight because it was also the round, the football round that they had. [01:44:07] Speaker A: Oh yeah. [01:44:09] Speaker B: Anyway, so our next meeting is at wanneroo on the 13th and 14th, 14th of September and then a fortnight later 27th and 28th of September we're at Colley Motorplex. So those two meetings form our circuit Masters championship which we spoke about earlier. [01:44:29] Speaker B: So yeah if anybody wants to have a good look at the cars, come on down. And then the last meeting of the year for us is the 26th of October. So we've effectively got three to go. [01:44:42] Speaker A: 26Th of October, there's something happening on that day. [01:44:47] Speaker A: I think we've got the early Falcon car show in Osborne park, which there'll be more to that when time comes. That's. It's been an awesome. [01:44:59] Speaker B: Bring it up to W. Bring it up to the racetrack, change the venue. [01:45:05] Speaker A: I don't think they'd like. It's, you know, because we get. I think, I think we're looking at 60 cars. Yeah. Okay. 60 cars in the morning, Sunday morning. Have like a cars on coffee. But it happens once a year. [01:45:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:45:21] Speaker A: And it's growing every year. Like last year we had 55 cars and we're all full by 10, 15. [01:45:30] Speaker A: And there's more to come on that. But this will probably be the last year that we'll have it at that, at that at at robs because it just, it's just outgrown, outgrown the situation. So we're going to play. What's the time? It's five o'. Clock. That's been two hours with Don talking about racing cars. So we've got some, some more music on the go. Some more living in the 70s. [01:46:04] Speaker A: I know we've got some living in the 70s. We've got some Baldwin calling for all those, for all those young ladies and young, young guys in Baldwin. They get some Billy Thorpe and the Aztecs. Who doesn't like Billy Thorpe and the Aztecs? On talking Talk on a Sunday afternoon. [01:46:24] Speaker B: The best music from the 60s to today. IPL radio. [01:46:30] Speaker A: Well, well, well, we're back again. Talking Talk playing the 70s. Got a few requests out there. Thanks for all your texts and yeah, interesting. We got our still. We've got our great special guest on the vets from the West Australian Historic Touring Car Club and we're on the final stretch of the last half an hour of the show for this season. [01:46:59] Speaker A: And a couple of things to pack up the day with Don. Don, what's the. The contact details for the club please? And we'll put it on our Facebook page. [01:47:11] Speaker B: So the Facebook page is WA Historic Touring Car Club and the website is www.wahistorictouringcars.com. [01:47:26] Speaker A: Fantastic. [01:47:27] Speaker B: Thank you. [01:47:29] Speaker A: So it's, it's been, it's been great having done in the studio and he's not leaving quite yet but we've just finished off the two hours of Power two and A half hours of power with Don and playing some great 70s music that's liked by many, many people out there. Just to fill you in on what's happening with Talking Talk, this is our last program of the first series. So we thank everybody for tuning in, listening, joining the Facebook page, being a follower for some great interviews. So we thank you, thank everybody that's come in, called up, responded on the Facebook page, responded having a chat to people at car club events, car shows, cars and coffee. We've had a, we've had a phenomenal amount of support and Rebecca and I can't thank you enough and I can't thank you enough. [01:48:41] Speaker A: For, for joining us on a Sunday, on a, on a lazy Sunday afternoon. [01:48:48] Speaker A: And we've got to thank IPL Radio, Tristan Reddick and the team here, our great friends who have, who look at all the computers for me. Rob G. Rob Mr. Rob Glasgow is in today. [01:49:05] Speaker A: On your Rob Cadence. Come in a fair few times also, so thank him. [01:49:13] Speaker A: Tristan's run the booth also while we're here on the Sunday, it's great to have all these rural volunteers here at IPL Radio. Sunday afternoons is not a, it's not a, well. [01:49:29] Speaker A: There'S nobody here on a Sunday afternoon. But, but whoever's in the studio with me and whoever's in the booth and we like to. [01:49:38] Speaker A: We like to Sunday afternoons is more of a, it's a Sunday afternoon cooking program also, which you can't see. But the guys, we make all sorts of things, sausage rolls, muffins, vegetarian sausage rolls, party pies, the whole lot. So just to keep say thank you to the guys who, guys and girls who work the booth for me while I try and put together this show on a Sunday afternoon. [01:50:11] Speaker A: As I've just reviewed, that Talking Talk won't be on next Sunday or won't be on for the whole month of September, but there's a but will be on Thursday mornings with Nick Nat. Nick's with Nick from 9am Till about 9:30 on a Thursday. Nick will be interviewing me on my travels around Europe. [01:50:40] Speaker A: In the next four weeks. So we've got half an hour or 20 minutes with Nick and if you keep following and liking our Facebook page, we'll have some great, great content. [01:50:53] Speaker A: As we travel. Rebecca and I travel through through Europe. [01:51:00] Speaker A: From London to France to Brussels through to Germany. [01:51:09] Speaker A: We're going to have a look at the Porsche museum and Mercedes that's teed up some collectors in France. [01:51:19] Speaker A: Some flea markets through London. [01:51:23] Speaker A: Some, some things through Switzerland and Austria into Italy. Hopefully catch up with some pedal, pedal car collectors out in Italy and then making our way down to the Mediterranean. We're going to be a week in Malta staying in Slima. [01:51:44] Speaker A: My, my family's hometown and it'd be great to catch up with some family, some friends and we're going to have some. [01:51:59] Speaker A: Some Facebook video on some people in Europe. Especially Mr. Joe Anastasi. He is Team Motorsport Malta, the man himself. [01:52:10] Speaker A: Joe's been a competitor at hill climbs and circuits in Malta and Italy for over 50 years. So we're going to catch up with Joe, Brian Kucardi who's a. [01:52:23] Speaker A: A talented restorer of cars in Malta. So we'll have a chat to Brian. We're also going to have a chat to. [01:52:33] Speaker A: Joe's son who runs Red Bull. Not Red Bull, John Bull. Red Bull, John Bull Dunlop tyres. Joshua Anastasi in Malta. Also to talk about all, all the sorts of race tyres that they stock and what they do and how they compete in a country that doesn't have a track. [01:52:57] Speaker A: They've also got the Maltese Hill Climb Championship will probably not make that event because that's on the weekend that we get there, I believe. But all looking good. For the next four weeks, Talking Talk won't be on the air and we'll be having some, some down time, so to speak. But you'll be kept up to date with all our travels and shenanigans as we, as we travel. [01:53:27] Speaker B: Sort of like a bit of a hard gig, that one. [01:53:32] Speaker A: It is and it isn't done. It is and it isn't. It's all about trying to, if somebody's not there the day, we just keep going. But yeah, we want to see some flea markets in, in London and, and through France and that's one of the other things that, that we do here at Talking Talk. We like to, we like our antiques. We have our antique shop on a Sunday, first Sunday of the month at YTT Antiques here in Rockingham. We won't be making the one in September but definitely October, November and the big Christmas one for Christmas at Waititi Antiques. And we've got plenty. We've got so many special guests coming on. [01:54:14] Speaker A: In the second series of Talking Talk and the list is absolutely endless. And as I said, we'll try and get. [01:54:26] Speaker A: Some of the. We'll try and get Norm Beachy on. We've spoken to John Bow. Hopefully John Bell will come on Brian Casser at Moe Engines in Victoria Buildings. Lots of speedway engines in the day. Great guy, really. They've taken a different turn in their he's really into the oil racing oil, how and how that works. So we're gonna have Brian on Greg Beecham from Beecham Racing, who operates the car for Corey Horder, our motorsport correspondent. Greg's going to come on and we'll be talking everything Formula V and also Greg actually restores steam engines from another. From another era. So that's going to be another interesting afternoon talking talk with Greg Beacham. [01:55:22] Speaker A: And you know, we'll anybody else that comes on Also Morrow a speedway the. The big event on October 11, which is the week after we start back. We're gonna have Shirley and Adrian on talking about. [01:55:40] Speaker A: The week before the speedway has their major Midwest masters. So we're going to be talking to them also we'll be talking to the guys from Lake Perkalilli. [01:55:52] Speaker A: Graham Lockhart preparing the car, the car for the Lake Perkalilli. We're going to have Graham on. Graham's a local so we'll have it. We'll have a chat to Graham and see how they progressed on that weekend. Graham Cox also the. The main man at Lake Perkalilli. So we'll be talking to them at different times. Sarah Battaglia, our travel correspondent, she'll be coming in to talk about travel with me on the first. [01:56:27] Speaker A: First broadcast. We're back in October so that should be another fascinating with Sarah. Sarah's all keen, revved up, ready to go. [01:56:39] Speaker A: And she'll be in the seat and I'll be answering the questions about Europe. We might have a guest appearance with rj. Hopefully she'll be able to come in and. Yeah, that's it. What do you reckon, Don? [01:56:55] Speaker B: Yeah, it sounds pretty busy there. So I've got a question for you. So the. [01:57:01] Speaker B: The Falcon reliability trial that they had, what was that? 1965. [01:57:07] Speaker A: 1965, yes. [01:57:09] Speaker B: 70, 000K or 70, 000 miles? [01:57:11] Speaker A: 70, 000 mile? Yes. [01:57:13] Speaker B: Where Ford had what, five or six Falcons that they put around the Yuyangs to prove to everybody and themselves that the car was reliable and could have held up and hold up and all that sort of thing. [01:57:24] Speaker A: That's correct. [01:57:25] Speaker B: It was other tales of that where they, they ran out of drivers, they ran out of tires and they were trying to get people from here, there and everywhere. Ellen Moffat was one of the drivers. Earn Abbot McPhee. I think there's a whole lot of them there. Now. Somebody told me that you had a driving suit from that event. [01:57:44] Speaker A: Yes, you have. Who was it? Well, no one actually knows whose was, but I'd spoken to a few drivers in the day and because it's a, it's a smallish suit. [01:58:03] Speaker A: And you know I spoke to Graham and I spoke to some of those guys and it's, it's, it's interesting to note that it's, it's the. Now it's. Well, the early Falcon Nationals are going to be held in Tasmania in October and it's there or abouts the over 60 years that the, the Ford U Yang's event was and you know the, the tales that the juice Henry Ford II flew in by helicopter, looked at them and said they're all mad. Flew off to wherever he was going. I think he was going to Le Mans. [01:58:43] Speaker A: You know that, that driving suit, if that driving suit could tell a story, I'm sure it would, it would be able to tell one of the most amazing stories ever told in Australian motorsport. [01:58:57] Speaker B: So it was Doug Shivas one of the drivers. Any, anybody who was anybody, anybody who. [01:59:02] Speaker A: Was anybody but anybody that was connected to Ford? [01:59:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:59:08] Speaker B: Probably not Shivo but, but anybody. [01:59:11] Speaker A: That was connected to, to, to Ford Australia or Harry Firth or. There were people who are contracted to other oil companies who didn't get a Guernsey. [01:59:25] Speaker A: Who weren't contracted to Mobil Oil because mobile were the major mobile Dunlop. I'd even heard a really interesting story from Russell Stuckey. [01:59:37] Speaker A: Whose father. [01:59:41] Speaker A: Deltin tires back then and Stuckey's is probably the oldest. [01:59:46] Speaker A: Motorsport dealer of tires in Australia still and he remembers his father getting the call up to say hey we need more tires. So. And they scoured Australia for a, for a, for the Dunlop sp sp 50s or something like that. So. So. Yeah, so. So Russell tells that story of his father getting the phone call from, from Harry first back in the day. [02:00:15] Speaker B: Do any of those cars survive? Because I know they put two or three of them on their lids, didn't they? And there was others that had accidents. [02:00:22] Speaker A: Blown tires and yes, another one of the holy grails. [02:00:30] Speaker A: So from our perspective none of those cars ever, ever survived that event. There is a really good replica of one of those cars and that's going to the early Falcon Nationals in Tasmania and they're having an event with that car which is as near as possible as you can get to a car that ran that event. [02:00:57] Speaker A: And I suppose, you know those cars, they weren't seen to be. They weren't collectible in the day. They'll just throw away cars. Nobody thought anything of it. Nobody thought anything of. [02:01:13] Speaker A: Keeping things of that time. [02:01:15] Speaker B: Well, you've got to. I know when I've gone back and, and research things. I know you've got to look at the tax rules at the time too because a lot of incentives instances, if they crash test them, there's a full, there was a full tax write off and there was other loopholes in that that they used to do there. [02:01:34] Speaker A: Yeah. So. So even when we had our good friend Chris Duranta AKA El Toro and Von Custard in, well six, six weeks ago, we talked about that event. [02:01:44] Speaker B: Okay. [02:01:45] Speaker A: And there's, and I'm sure that Long Custard was very surprised that when we talked about the Holy Grail. The Holy grail is the 1963 Miss Australia Quest cars. [02:01:57] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:01:57] Speaker A: And obviously we've been subconsciously looking for them for over 30 years now. And yeah, we've heard the stories. Ringing text, whatever. Chris and I have heard every story under the sun. [02:02:14] Speaker A: I'm here in wa. I've heard this other story recently that this person owned a convertible. [02:02:22] Speaker A: But it was an American car. It wasn't an American car. And I'm yet to catch up with the gentleman. I know the gentleman quite well but I just haven't had the opportunity to go and speak to him about that car. [02:02:37] Speaker A: And it's, it's. We've heard about the stories about the Tirana, the Brock Tarana that's supposedly in a shipping container. [02:02:47] Speaker A: Somewhere in Geraldton. I've heard, I've heard a story of that. There's a, I've got a mike, he's got a Tarana was raised by Peter Brock. It's in the shipping container in Geraldton. I've heard that firsthand from somebody. [02:03:00] Speaker A: But nothing's ever come from that story. [02:03:05] Speaker A: Nothing's ever come from the stories that if one of these cars had survived. [02:03:12] Speaker A: We would have seen it, located it, photographed it, tried to buy it. But it's been 60 odd years, nearly 70 years now. The cars haven't surfaced. So we've heard of stories of cars being buried at the Yuyangs. [02:03:35] Speaker A: We've heard that story from multiple people. We've heard the story from multiple people that they put them on a barge and dropped them in Corioli Bay to make a artificial reef back in the day. [02:03:50] Speaker A: We've heard a lot of stories like that. And. [02:03:55] Speaker A: It'S sort of like the GDHA that the dentist owns in Sydney, the Phase four. That's the only Phase four that's been plated. Plated. It's probably a bit like that. But the Phase four has been seen and it's been well documented. Well documented. [02:04:13] Speaker B: Yep. [02:04:13] Speaker A: Who's got it? Where it is what it is. Who, who owns it? The restoration. I'm not sure if it was at the gt, Natson, Bathurst or even at sea, even at Shepparton just recently, but that car's been well documented. But these cars haven't. And it's just one of life's mysteries at the moment, until we have some concrete evidence that the cars survived or a car survived. There were stories that one of the ladies kept the car and put in the garage in Mossman in Sydney. You know, there's been stories of that, but they were proven false. There's another. There's a story that there's a car in Sydney, but no one's ever seen or heard of it. [02:05:03] Speaker A: There's other things, like the. The bank Cortina. It's a fastback that Lou Bent designed for his wife and was built by Bodycraft in Geelong, who. Bodycraft made the ambulances for Ford and things, and the limos and stuff like that. So they made these cars out of Utes. [02:05:23] Speaker A: So he. He designed the Cortina. We know that Cortina existed because Lou Band was tragically killed in an accident in the 34 Coupe utility in Geelong and his wife had the Cortina. So she used to drive the Cortina to go to Colles shopping. So we know that that car definitely exists and it's with a collector, but hasn't been seen for a number of years. There's also. I mean, that's just really the Falcon. But there's other cars that, you know, that haven't. That haven't been seen for many years also. And I suppose one of the. One of the, you know. [02:06:05] Speaker A: More historic. [02:06:08] Speaker A: Cars is the. [02:06:12] Speaker A: Elephant formula 5000, the ground effect car. [02:06:17] Speaker A: So that's. That was sold out of the Birdsville Museum to a collector in Sydney who apparently has got a couple of cars and that car's never to be seen again. So, you know, we're all sort of. I. I know the Alpha guys and I know the formula 5000 guys, and. [02:06:35] Speaker A: You know, Peter, Peter, Ella Jabon and Peter Brennan in Melbourne and the Alpha guys at the Alpha Museum. Everybody is sad where that car is. And every time everybody sees the, the Mr. Nine, I remember seeing it as a child at, at Tullamarine Airport. [02:06:54] Speaker A: At the Anset Lounge. They used to have an inset car. [02:07:02] Speaker A: At the. At the gate, a Telemarine back in. [02:07:05] Speaker B: The day, just on display. [02:07:07] Speaker A: Just on display. I mean. I mean, who does that these days? I mean, you know, you got to see a formula 5000 or a formula Ford or, you know, I think there was, you know, John McCormack's car was there once if it was in Melbourne. So. Yeah, so that's, that's. [02:07:21] Speaker B: So I know when I had the anset charger, the elfin guys that were restoring the formula 5000s, a few of those guys had got onto me at the time because, because I had the wheels from the anset charger and that and the charger was built effectively the suspension and everything was formula 5000. Yes, the wheels were formula 5000. So. And all of those I, I had with the car. So. [02:07:46] Speaker A: So, yeah, so, you know, just getting back to that Don, I suppose, you know, we were. It's always at the back of my mind that, that, you know. [02:07:59] Speaker A: Where they went to. I mean, you know, it's unfortunate that Lou Bant had, was killed in the car accident the week that either Chris or I were going to go there to see him because we'd seen him, we knew where he lived in Geelong. He was probably, he's probably the, he was probably the only one that could, could. [02:08:23] Speaker A: With a definite answer, yeah, say yay or no. But you know, for 70 years they haven't been seen. So that's, you know, we hear about cars in America that were supposedly trash but they were found. So, you know, and there's cars still today that are being found that was supposedly trashed, especially the Chrysler gas turbine cars. [02:08:46] Speaker B: Yeah, that was, that was, that's an interesting story. [02:08:48] Speaker A: That's another interesting story. And here at Talking Talk, we're all about talking to the enthusiast, talking to whether it's, you know, Don's coming today, whether it's the ladies with their cars, whether it's Julia Anderson and her coupe, which is the only 351 Windsor powered car engineered in Western Australia and a lady owns it. Whether it's, you know, Tracy Jacobs and her car and her car, Big Boy or the Formula V's with Corey and those sort of guys and you know, Joe Fafaro with the family falcon that his father and uncle bought from a Ford dealer here in Perth. And it's been in the family for over 70 years now. So Talking Talk, we're just about giving the enthusiast a voice. We want to tell their story, want to tell our stories because without, you know, telling our stories and the history and you know, Don's history today was fantastic. Ron Simmons, unbelievable to you know, one hour and 20 minutes on the line and we talk from everything from, from Billy Cart races to racing Minis at Sandown and everything in between, you know, it's just a phenomenal. [02:10:08] Speaker A: Way to, to reminisce. And we're playing 70s music today, and I've had Don laughing about 70s music and yeah, we've got a couple more. [02:10:17] Speaker B: There's some people that like our music and others that don't. [02:10:20] Speaker A: I know there's a lot of people that like our music and there's a lot of people. Yeah, I think we've got the taste going. We've got the 70s going. We've got another couple of songs to, to play out the session this afternoon. And you know, on that. On that. Okay, so I've got to thank everybody again. IPL Radio, Tristan Reddick, jp, His father Paul, for giving me the opportunity to. To, to have a radio show on a Sunday afternoon to talk about the things that I'm passionate about and IPL inspiring, passionate lives. And we're talking about things that we're. We're passionate about. And I got to thank my good friend Carlos Garcia and the Property Bros. Carlos introduced me to Tristan at a Mr. Perfect barbecue in Safety Bay. [02:11:11] Speaker A: So, yeah. So on. On that note, thanks for everything, everybody. Thanks to Rob in the control booth today. He's done an amazing job. We've had a few technical issues, but the, the broadcast has gone superbly. Got to thank Don for being here for the whole three hours, which is fantastic. Unfortunately, Rebecca couldn't make it today. [02:11:38] Speaker A: But we'll have our talking Tools segment and not those sort of tools. Talking tools later in the second half of the year. And so we'll have the four weeks off, come back all recharged, plenty of things to do. Then we'll go till Christmas and then the month of January we'll have off, and then we'll start again in February. [02:12:02] Speaker A: And we'll. We'll keep bringing that content. We'll keep bringing those guests that you never hear about. People like to hear people's stories. So that's what talking talk is. So thanks, everybody. Have a great month. Month. Thanks, Don. Appreciate your time and effort today. Rob again, Kaden, everybody who's helped us at IPL Radio. Talking Talk. Anything to add, Don? [02:12:30] Speaker B: No, just thank you for allowing us to come on and talk about our cars and our club and all that sort of thing. Thank you. [02:12:39] Speaker A: Thanks, everybody. Have a great weekend on talking talk at IPL Radio. [02:12:44] Speaker B: The best music from the 60s to today. IPL Radio.