S1 Ep 1

[00:00:02] Speaker A: The best music from the 60s to today. [00:00:06] Speaker B: IPL radio. Hey, hey, hey, everybody. It's Talking Talk with Darren Chanter. Yes, another Sunday afternoon of car talk. Talking talk with on the car. But this is going to be our second broadcast, second episode of the Lake Perkalilli Red Dust Revival. [00:00:29] Speaker B: 2025. And we've got Mr. Graham Lockhart, local. [00:00:36] Speaker B: Local from Rockingham in the studio. Graham's been great of being with Graham in the middle of the week, having a chat, having a look at his car, talking about all the things that Graham does and the car and it's just fantastic. It's just an unbelievable. You guys have all seen the pictures, we've made a reel. And. [00:01:04] Speaker B: Without further ado, we're on the air with Graham Lockhart. Hey, Graham, how are you? [00:01:09] Speaker A: Very well, Darren, thank you for having me, mate. [00:01:12] Speaker B: Sensational, sensational. Can't thank you enough for coming on. [00:01:20] Speaker B: You know, we, we spoke earlier in the week. I came up. You're, you're a Safety Bay Rockingham resident and you live very close to where I live. Had no idea and. [00:01:35] Speaker B: You know, you blew me away. The, the car, the setup. So tell me about. [00:01:42] Speaker B: How you got started with the Lake Perkalilli Red Dust Revival. [00:01:48] Speaker A: Well, it's a long story, but back in 97, Graham Cox, who's the organizer of the late Perk Lily Red Dust Revival, was building a car called Silver Wings, which is a Chrysler replica that raced out there in the 30s. There's a lot of history behind the car. I had an old Chrysler myself and he was chasing some parts. So that's how we got to know each other. And I kind of got bitten by the bug. I went up there to actually view the cars, see them on the lake and thought, this is what I want to get a part of. In 2014 they created the centenary of motorsport out there. So I thought what a great idea is to build a 1914 Model T Speedster and go and celebrate its hundredth anniversary out on the lake. And that sort of did so. And basically since then, every two years I've created another Model T speedster in some shape or form and gone out there and competed each time. And today we fired up the, the 99 year old 1926 Speedster that I've been building for the last 14 months for the group of guys and it actually moved out of the shed under its own steam today. So a bit of a milestone. [00:03:03] Speaker B: Yeah, that's fantastic. And. [00:03:06] Speaker B: Excuse me, the group of guys. Now this is part of the fabric of IPL radio. We're into mental health, men's mental health. There was Carlos Garcia this morning the Mr. Perfect barbecue got rained out, but they had dome Waikiki. Hey guys, how you all going? [00:03:26] Speaker B: And these, the group of men. [00:03:31] Speaker B: That you've brought together to help you build this car. [00:03:37] Speaker B: It's actually like a men's mental health thing too because they're all retired, you know. And yeah, that's what IPL radio is all about, mental health of everybody. But. [00:03:49] Speaker B: It just astounded me that you go, oh, men's mental health is what we do. Because they're all retired and they're all from all different walks of life. [00:03:56] Speaker A: 100%. A big shout out to Gary and Mark, Peter Ray and Steve and our good friend Alex that's passed away earlier this year. But yeah, we put this together on the mantra if it's okay not to be okay. We've all got varying levels of mental health issues whether you want to admit it or not. But we created a safe space to be able to just sit around and have a cup of coffee and out of that spawn, well, let's build a car. They all knew I could. We had big shed full of parts and Model Ts are pretty easy. They built 21 million of them. So it doesn't take much to find stuff for them. And it's been great watching the guys in a safe space chat to each other, become friends, which they weren't before. And everybody brings a new set of skill sets to them. So we've all learned and yeah, they're just enthusiastic and we just do it once a week and everybody turns up. [00:04:51] Speaker B: And you guys built a car from parts? Yeah, I mean I was literally astounded. I've been around cars all my life and you know, I've known guys to restore cars and build things, but not from a bunch of parts. Pre World War I, World War II. I've never known for that to happen. I've never seen it done. And if you've jumped on the Facebook page and had a look at the reel and had a look at the, the advertising for today's show, that is the car that these gentleman built in a garage in Rocco. There's nothing short of. It's a fantastic, it's a fantastic, fantastic thing that's happened. I like Percolilli. What does it, what does that mean to you, mate? What is it? It's pretty mythical because it's probably the oldest event in Australia. It's in the gold fields. There was no track. It was in the middle of nowhere. So to speak. You know, It's. What's it, 50, 60 K's from Kalgoorlie. [00:05:59] Speaker A: Correct. Yeah. [00:06:02] Speaker B: What's it mean to you? [00:06:04] Speaker A: It's my happy place. [00:06:07] Speaker A: I think I mentioned to you the other day, the first time I got the opportunity to go out there, it was likened to Burt Monroe from the world's fastest Indian. Drove out onto the track the first time and just everything just stopped. It just, just all went quiet. And there you are with your car that you've built and you have an opportunity to belt round this two mile circuit. No rules, no regs and, and it's just incredible. And like I'm getting goosebumps thinking about it now with the opportunity to go back in another month or so to go and do the same thing. There's just something about it. It's the camaraderie. There's a lot of guys and women out there that live it, breathe it. We've encouraged lots of our friends. I had my 60th out there at the last event, which was incredible, that my wife organized. Thanks, Donna. [00:06:55] Speaker A: Yeah. And I caught up with people I hadn't seen for 20 years that just happened to come up to have a look and now they're in the shed building cars. And coming up, you know, it's infectious. [00:07:06] Speaker A: It's a cheap motorsport and what we're doing is building cars out of junk. [00:07:13] Speaker A: So it's just great. [00:07:15] Speaker B: That's probably the most. [00:07:18] Speaker B: Astonishing thing for me, even though I've known hot rodders and you know, Von Custard, our good friend Von Custard. [00:07:28] Speaker B: Storied hot rod customizer, old school sign rider, old school pin. Right. Pinstriper. [00:07:38] Speaker B: It doesn't come close to what he's done. This is. Yeah, I mean, he. Yeah, they used to buy a car, redo it, do the chrome. That's fine. It was a complete car. You guys do it from parts. [00:07:50] Speaker A: A couple of chassis rails. [00:07:51] Speaker B: A couple of chassis rails, which is, you know, you're telling me that you got the seats that were a bus seat and you cut them down and this and that. And I'm thinking they look like they look okay. They look pretty good to me. I mean, they look pretty good to me. I mean, it's literally an amazing, you know, just. [00:08:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I was, I was a bit dumbfounded. I drove up and. Oh yeah, I'm at the right place. There's a trailer. Yeah. There's a thing called the garage. Oh, yeah. And it actually, I've said this to, and I said this to my dad. Too. I said it was like walking into my father's garage in Melbourne with the race car and the, you know, the, the gantry and the block and tackle and the machine tools and it actually brought me back home. [00:08:42] Speaker A: It was such great to see that emotional connection when you came in. [00:08:45] Speaker B: Oh, thinking, wow, this reminds me of. This reminds me of a certain workshop that produced, you know, half a dozen cars. And it was, it was really, like I said, dad, it had the gantry like what we had it like what we got. The race car's in the middle of the garage. Obviously it's covered. You know, a little back room shed that we built and we've got a milling machine and we got the oxy and we got this and we got the welder and we got, you know, his mechanical handling, original bench that they made back in the 1960s. And, you know, that it was just like, wow, look at this place. This is my happy place. Yeah, it was pretty cool. Pretty wild. Pretty wild. I was, I was, I thought I'd be there 10 minutes. I was there over an hour and a half. [00:09:31] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:09:32] Speaker B: Which is wild, you know, and the car, the car looks tremendous. You know, the team that have. You've worked with and, you know, it, you know, and, and tell me about their, their skills because obviously nobody, everybody would bring their own different skill set to the. Yeah, to the team. [00:10:00] Speaker A: Gary used to work in laboratory pathology. [00:10:03] Speaker B: Yep. [00:10:04] Speaker A: So obviously good with his hands, but never done really much mechanical stuff. He's into motorbikes, but again, fairly modern stuff. Mark is a good mate of mine that I used to work with over at Garden Islands. So he was a fitter, machinist, so he's brought that skill set to him and an interest in this. Peter's another good mate that started with us. He's a welder and he also. [00:10:29] Speaker A: Was originally a sign rider. And the numbers that you see on the side of the car, he did them fantastic. With a bit of a protest, but, you know, excellent. You know, Ray's another good mate. He's built his own car. He's a mechanic, Steve Johnson down in Mandurah. He's. He worked in the labs at Alcoa, but has a passion and a love of old cars and, you know, he worked with me for a little bit and he's. Him and his son have built a car. So, yeah, we all bring a different thing, but I think the common thread is the cars, the interest in the old cars. [00:11:00] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I mean, it's got to be. [00:11:05] Speaker A: You. [00:11:05] Speaker B: Know, it's an enthusiast's event. But it's infectious to other people who like cars. And even I had thoughts when I went home, I got in my car, man, I need a car. [00:11:22] Speaker B: And, and I thought about it for about three days and we can help you. I know you guys can help me, but I don't think that. [00:11:33] Speaker B: I don't. I'd love to do it. My time driving like that is. Is done. I'm done. But where I can come in and help everybody is the conduit of the radio show. 100% the conduit of the radio show. [00:11:53] Speaker B: The Facebook page, the, the contacts. [00:11:58] Speaker B: I'd. I'd love to run a car and I'd love to run my historic sports car also. But. [00:12:07] Speaker B: Sort of I'm past it only because I got one eye and my, my vision. I'm probably half a meter out and half a meter is no good. No, half a meter is not, not great to be short. But yeah, no it's, it's just. [00:12:27] Speaker B: Look, I mean if, if anybody can go out to Lake Perkalilli when they have the Red Dust Revival in Kalgoorlie the last week of September, I believe. [00:12:38] Speaker A: Last day of September, first week of October. [00:12:40] Speaker B: Yeah, last, last day of September, first week of October. Yeah. [00:12:45] Speaker B: Get involved. Just have a look, you know and, and see these cars. And you know I'm. I'm told that these cars being built all over Perth. There's cars being built nearly all over Australia. I heard this. There's a car coming from Tasmania. There's cars coming from Victoria, New South Wales. [00:13:05] Speaker A: Yeah. I think there's 24, 25 entries from every other state. Which is amazing. [00:13:11] Speaker B: Which is amazing. Unheard of in these days and times because yeah, the we are actually I was a bit closer to. [00:13:23] Speaker B: Probably about a thousand kilometers from Kalgoorlie ourselves here. So it's probably, you know. [00:13:31] Speaker B: Two 2,000 K's from mouth east. Yes. Or thereabouts. And it's a long, long, long way to tower pre World War II jalopy because that's what they used to call them jalopies. [00:13:50] Speaker B: Across the country to race on a dry lake 50km or 30-50km from Kalgoorlie. And we had Ashtown. [00:14:02] Speaker B: Last week on and TRO and you know, the Variety taken everything from water to cooking facilities to showers to everything. They're just taking everything to Lake Perkalilli which is. That's another outstanding effort from the guys at Variety to actually do that. And it's. That's was the first part of the. The program was to talk about what variety you're doing for as far as the organization for Lake Perkalilli. And then part two was having Graham on talking about the car and how to, you know, just building, preparing and it's. Yeah, it's blowing me away. It's blowing me away. So your, your car. So you've always built Model Ts? [00:14:59] Speaker A: No, no, I've had cars in my life since I started my apprenticeship with Holden. So they call them chrome bumper cars now tranas and things like that. But they were just our standard trade in cars. So I was driving them as a young bloke. I joined the military. So I had a big break from cars for some time and then I met somebody over in Queensland that had an old car and I thought, oh, this is pretty cool. It's better than a fast V8 or whatever. And I just got bitten. So I've probably had about 25, 30 cars. [00:15:30] Speaker B: Yep. [00:15:31] Speaker A: All pre 1930 that I've built and restored and moved on. And then I got the opportunity to actually go for a drive in a Model T speedster up in the Swan Valley. Old fella had just built it was very, very cool car had a drive and went, this is what I want to do. [00:15:51] Speaker B: Yep. [00:15:52] Speaker A: So our car club, the veteran and classic Car club of WA often get parts and it's one of the biggest parts pavilion in the southern hemisphere up in Hale Road. So people should become aware of that and that's a good place to start if you want to build an old car. But I bought a project from. From them. [00:16:11] Speaker B: Yes. [00:16:12] Speaker A: And then I restore that and yeah, the rest is history. So I kind of known around the club as Mr. T. I've been able to put my finger on the a chassis or a project and my wife Donna and I often go out in the Wheat belt looking for native orchids and just happen to come across a chassis or some parts and drag it home and then turn it into another car. [00:16:35] Speaker B: That's fantastic. [00:16:36] Speaker A: But this is the last one I'm going to do. I've done a lot, I've done the last five or six in the last 10 years. So the next one I won't go on too much about it but it's a big straight eight Packard and it will be a Speedster, a two seater speed. So that will be pretty cool. [00:16:54] Speaker B: I'm very enthused, excited to see that one. I'm excited to see that car. I've seen it pretty pre the speedster body. Yeah. And oh man, I just. That's the Era of time. That's the golden era of you know, the Hudson's, the Duesenbergs. Exactly, you know that the late 20s, roaring 20s, early 30s, you know even Holden, Holden here made a Moonlight special. They made a speedster. [00:17:30] Speaker B: Back in the late, late 20s. Really? Yeah, it's like a, it's a, it's, it's a speedster. It's got the boat tail, you know, I mean the only cars that I've seen like that are Austin seven boat tails. They're the only cars I've ever well come out of. [00:17:49] Speaker A: Perc Lily mate, there's a lot of those out there too mate. [00:17:51] Speaker B: I've never of, I was sort of, you know, I sort of got stuck in the historic racing in, in back east, you know our good friend John Needham who builds his, his, his, well he builds gearboxes for Austin Sevens and stuff like that. [00:18:10] Speaker B: And he built, he builds road racing. His son Ben's with him also as John's very, He's in his 80s now and they, they build road racing MG gearboxes and. [00:18:28] Speaker B: Very successful, unbreakable. [00:18:33] Speaker B: Up to you know, 400 horsepower. [00:18:35] Speaker A: That's incredible. [00:18:37] Speaker B: I've got one. [00:18:40] Speaker B: Excuse me. I've got one of his gearboxes and it's an alloy cased MGB 4 speed, close ratio, dog box. [00:18:47] Speaker A: There you go. [00:18:48] Speaker B: And you know I remember he goes oh you know I ring him and he goes if it doesn't, if it doesn't wind Darren, it's not working properly and sure enough it screams first gear, second gear. You know that's, it's awesome. And that's my, that was. My only contact with speedsters were Austin Sevens. [00:19:11] Speaker A: There you go. Yeah. [00:19:12] Speaker B: And come out here and I'm going oh man, with all these cars. [00:19:17] Speaker A: Well the Lake Perkali, the Red Dust revival has really ensues a lot of people that had stuff in their shed and they've gone down the track of restoring the perfect, the original car Y but there's always that little. Well I'd love to build a hot rod but it's not original. So the species have created that pre hot rod era for us. They were there. So if you, you build it period. Correct. Last year we just had our first 12 month anniversary of the Speedster and special section under the main Veteran Car Club of WA and we kicked that off. I'm the secretary of that section that's grown to nearly 90 members in 12 months. [00:19:58] Speaker A: Probably 60% of those members are going to Lake Perkalily and we're trying to grow the enthusiasm around it and start hosting events. We had our first event a few months ago on the beach up at Dongra and did beach sprints with these old cars. It was a huge success. The next thing, we're trying to create a racetrack out at Beverly at the old trotting track with the Shire. And that could be, you know, we could be there two, three times a year, belting around the track and having competitions. And there's a big grandstand there. So there's lots of things in our future for these cars and it'll encourage younger people as well. It's a little bit more affordable. [00:20:38] Speaker B: Yes. That's. That's the most. That's the. That's a massive problem. Yeah, yeah. Like, it actually. What it actually costs to run a circuit car and to build a circuit car. The cost is. It's astronomical. [00:20:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:57] Speaker B: I mean, even when I was doing it, I think. [00:21:02] Speaker B: You know, the Nylah Holden, I think I had 30. 30,000. That's what it cost me to build. [00:21:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:21:09] Speaker B: That's what it cost me to restore. And we did a lot in house and we had a lot, A lot of people help. And in saying that that was the only way that we could do that. [00:21:27] Speaker B: You know, we had a fabricator nearly full time for a year. [00:21:32] Speaker B: All the electricians. But everybody that I spoke to helped us, whether it be, you know, Frank Lowndes or Ron Harrop or Graham Brown or, you know, they all pitched in and wanted to help. Help. They gave some advice or they had something lying around that would help or, you know, same as a dog, you know, So I was, I was really. I was really thankful for them. I've been thankful for. For all of their help for all these years. And when I've. When I've sort of I could help somebody, I did, because I'm just giving it back to what they gave me. [00:22:13] Speaker B: Speedsters, what's the love of a speedster, mate? [00:22:19] Speaker A: Breaking the rules a little bit. [00:22:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:22] Speaker A: Stepping outside your comfort zone, looking at everything and repurposing it rather than going. It has to be perfectly original. If the paint's not perfect, it doesn't matter too much. Like I said, most seats come off a leather Moran lounge that was worth however many thousands of dollars that we chop the trim off it and repurpose into a set of speedster seats. And they look great. [00:22:45] Speaker A: Yeah. You just allowed to have that license to put. Be creative as well. We network. The group of Model T people within Perth all reach out to each other. I've got this. Have you got that? I'm trying to do this. It's just, it is good. It's, it's a, it's a great thing to be involved in. [00:23:06] Speaker A: And yeah, really, it's, it's, it's the future. You know, you could spend 100, $150,000 building a hot rod and then you're too scared to use it. We build a $10,000 speedster still in the same milk. It's, it doesn't go as quick but yeah, we're not afraid to take it out and belt it around in the dirt or on, on the beach or whatever cuz it's not going to hurt it. They built, built for it in the day, so. [00:23:28] Speaker B: That's true. And if you, I don't know if you know of a gentleman called Graham Wizard Smith. [00:23:38] Speaker B: Wizard Smith and my good friend Kerry Smith in Wagga. We were talking about the, the origins of the wizard pedal car. [00:23:51] Speaker B: Wizard Smith was a car racer extraordinaire. Land speed Melbourne to Sydney, Sydney to Perth. Record breaker back in the 20s 30s. [00:24:03] Speaker B: Land speed record in two cars. One called the Enterprise and the other called the anzac. [00:24:10] Speaker A: Oh wow. [00:24:10] Speaker B: So he was a contemporary of Donald Campbell. Wizard Smith. There's stories of the story of Wizard Smith and the, the problems that he had with his Speed Star. Powered by a World War I aircraft engine built in Sydney. Graham Harkness, who owned all the buses in Sydney. So they took a bus chassis and they built a speedster with a. [00:24:41] Speaker B: Aero engine. [00:24:42] Speaker A: Yep. [00:24:44] Speaker B: And then they raced. They took that car to ninety Mile beach in New Zealand and yeah. [00:24:52] Speaker B: Tried to take the land speed record from Donald Campbell and Henry Seagrave and those sort of guys in the 1930s. [00:25:03] Speaker B: He died in the 60s or 70s so he had a pretty long life. [00:25:09] Speaker B: He was a motoring executive but he built speedsters back in the day. [00:25:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:25:16] Speaker A: Wow. [00:25:17] Speaker B: And even though the story's lost in time. [00:25:24] Speaker B: You know, ninety Mile beach, you know there's people that, if you read the book it, you know, there's the Bletisloe cup, everyone knows the Bletterslow cup, the rugby. So he was the governor of New Zealand. [00:25:37] Speaker A: Oh wow. [00:25:38] Speaker B: And he went to see Wizard Smith at 90 on my beach. So. Oh, Bledesloe, that's where that, that came from. So you know, it's, it's, it's historic also. [00:25:48] Speaker B: But. Oh, just, it's just an era of time. Yeah. Speedsters. I mean there's nothing Pre World War II, I suppose. You know, it's, it's actually before hot rodders, before a motorsport actually began. And There were customizers and hell, they call them Hellraisers back in the day. [00:26:08] Speaker A: Is that right? Yeah. [00:26:09] Speaker B: So I think, Graham, you're one of the modern day Hellraisers. [00:26:14] Speaker A: Well, they call our cars gouge jobs. [00:26:16] Speaker B: Okay. [00:26:17] Speaker A: So you've got spaces and mines. Kind of not a hot rod, it's not a speeder. It's kind of that you're stepping between lines. So they called them gouge jobs, but they basically took the guards off, lowered them, hotted the original engine up. Not putting it, you know, customizing that and sort of thing. So yeah, it's, it's an American terminology, but yeah, that's, that's what they are. [00:26:38] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it's, it's just an amazing. [00:26:44] Speaker B: Amazing period of time and to actually. [00:26:48] Speaker B: You know, for, for Graham Cox and those guys to actually have an event like that. So when was the first revival of Lake Perkalilli? [00:27:02] Speaker A: I think the first Red dust revival was 19. Prior to that, it was the centenary of motorsport, which was 2014, which, which did the 100 years, because that's when they were racing out there in 1914. And then it's pretty much gone on from there. But I know Graham and his group of people, they were out there in the early 90s, I believe, maybe 97, doing different things. They had the big Peter Briggs's Napier, the land speed record car that, that was taken out there when it was restored and, and cracked the 100 mile an hour going across the, the center of the lake out there. Yeah. So they've been involved in it and they do round the houses and all things. But I mean, this is really all due to Graham Cox and now his team just, just had the vision to create this and it's just growing, it's just massive now, you know. Who would have known? [00:28:00] Speaker B: No, who would have known? Like I, I, I'd only heard about it. [00:28:06] Speaker B: Through Nigel Quick. At Desert Collectors. Yep. [00:28:12] Speaker B: His, his film and some, some episodes that he did. And I was lucky enough to be here at the preview of the movie. Of the movie. [00:28:27] Speaker B: At Leaderville. Yeah. And you know, we sat there and people looking at me and a couple sat down next to us and they go, say, how do you know about this? I said, oh. She goes, what? So you're from Melbourne and you saw this? I said, yeah. I said, I just watched Nigel and we come out and you know, I don't know anybody in Perth and sitting there and just watching this thing. Yeah, I probably only knew, I just knew Nigel and Carmel. There you go. Because we'd Seen him a couple of times coming out and I bought a little bit of stuff off the Internet often. And. [00:29:01] Speaker B: I saw the film and I thought, oh, yeah, Rebecca's going, why don't you go and compete? I said, I don't think it's a good idea. I said, I'd love to do it. And you're all enthusiastic. I mean, it was like for the past probably three days. I saw you on Wednesday, probably till Friday, maybe Saturday. I've gone. [00:29:26] Speaker B: I looked at it and I looked at it again and I rang Dad a couple of times. I got, hey, I saw the garage and he goes, what, you're gonna build another car? I said, yeah, no, probably not, but it's good. [00:29:42] Speaker B: I said, I've seen this model too. I said, yeah, I could drive that. I couldn't actually build it because I don't have the, the tools or the knowledge or whatever. And that's when I realized that, no, that's not for me. This is for me to promote the events and stuff like that. Because that's what I'm sort of good. I'm sort of good at also. Yeah, it's just an amazing. Yeah, I just, I was so in love with it. I just thought. I saw the film and we went back and, you know, saw a few other people and a few people were asking me there, oh, how are you involved? I said, just an enthusiast, but just an enthusiast from the outside. I said, oh, you know, I probably would go or wouldn't I go or, you know, it's all. But I'd love to go in five years time. Oh, yeah, so it's. It's every three years, isn't it? [00:30:37] Speaker A: At this stage? It has been, yeah, yeah, I'd love. [00:30:40] Speaker B: To go in three years time. Not as a driver, as a great observer, as a person to talk about the cars on the radio. [00:30:54] Speaker B: It's a conversation that I'll have with Ash, definitely, and Graham and everybody else and say, hey, what can we do at IPL to go out there? Because I think the whole world needs to know about this. [00:31:07] Speaker A: You might be able to broadcast live. [00:31:09] Speaker B: Yeah, I was thinking about it. I was talking to Rob there about it and he goes, oh, what about the Internet? I said, mate, there's Starlink there. Yes, yes. What's that? I said, mate, that's Elon Musk's satellite. Satellite. And you know, it's beaming around the world. I've gone, I said, maybe we could do that. Definitely, yeah. Three years time. The technology's changed. I was talking to Ash and He was saying, oh, yeah, they use the Telstra. [00:31:35] Speaker B: Satellite, this and that. And it was $40,000. And you know, it was a massive amount of money. And in three years, technologies changed again. So, you know, in three years time, hopefully technology changes again. And I'd love to. I'd love to broadcast out of like Perkalily for the weekend. [00:31:55] Speaker A: Yep. [00:31:56] Speaker B: I wouldn't do it for the. Oh, yeah, probably do it for the week. I'd probably come for the week. But I think they'd like to hear. But yeah, it just takes people's imagination. Like, I was just there. I think, man, this is good. And then speaking to other people in Perth about it, they go, I've never heard anything about him, mate. [00:32:22] Speaker B: Go on the Facebook page. Have a look. Like Perkalily red Dust Revival 2025. There's only one official Facebook page. Have a look. Because it's infectious. You're right. 100. [00:32:35] Speaker A: If people go to the YouTube, YouTube and, and research there as well, there's probably about 30 videos up from the last. Since 2019. So you can just watch it. There's video from inside people's cars. So you actually get to understand what it's like. And the fact that the dust. You can't see more than 10ft in front of you from the. The dust and. Yeah, yeah, that's. It's pretty amazing. [00:33:01] Speaker B: It. It's, you know, from the work that variety's put in. That's. That's. That was an hour of talking to Ash and that was fantastic. Having seeing you in the middle of the week and the car and you set up and, you know, the. I haven't met the group of guys that help you build the car, but that's the next thing I want to do. [00:33:23] Speaker B: It's just. Yeah, there's no words for it, really. I'm just sort of. Man, this is good. And it's a. And it's a. It's a Western Australian event. It really should be a Western Australian historical event. [00:33:42] Speaker B: Only because of the historical history of the event and how it started and how it became. Because. And they should teach it in schools because it's. It's actually his. It goes back to the gold fields it goals. Goes back to, you know. [00:34:04] Speaker B: Ladies and gentlemen, in the day who had motorbikes, they raced motorbikes. Not everybody had a car back then. Motorbikes with a. The thing. The thing. Former transport Henry ford made Model Ts. [00:34:20] Speaker B: You know, they came out to Melbourne and then they shipped them out on bullet trains and trains out west. They Were, you know, ckd, Complete knockdown. [00:34:28] Speaker A: That's it. [00:34:29] Speaker B: They're in parts. They were in boxes. And then they assembled these cars. So, you know, it actually should be, you know, as. As a historic event and part of the state's rich history in the gold fields. It actually needs to be. The story needs to be told that. [00:34:48] Speaker A: Graham's written an amazing book which covers that history. It's a few hundred pages, but it's. It's a good read. And there's so many photos. Took him years to do it. But yeah, if you want to get that history. Because they kind used to come across from South Australia to compete out at Lake Pukalilli. Like, it was just huge back in the day. And then obviously war came along and things changed. [00:35:11] Speaker B: But yeah, yeah, 1914, like the cars are no older than 1938. [00:35:19] Speaker A: Yep. 39 is to cut off. [00:35:22] Speaker B: Yeah, 39 is a cut off. [00:35:25] Speaker B: So that's World War II. So. And there's no. [00:35:31] Speaker B: What's the word for it? [00:35:35] Speaker B: There's no. There's not a lot of paperwork. No, there is not a lot of paperwork. There's not a lot of. They're racing, are they? It's like a. Like a. It's like a regularity event. But, you know, it's not. You're not in fire suits, you're not in. You're in safety gear. But it's not as heavily policed as it is on a circuit. [00:36:02] Speaker A: No. [00:36:04] Speaker B: You really got nothing to hit other than another car. Or if something breaks on your car because it's fall over, you fall over because there's really nothing to hit out there. You're on a dry lake bed. Yeah. What's it like? Right? [00:36:18] Speaker A: It's. It's pretty damn cool. The. The vehicles themselves don't have roll bars, don't have seat belts. We don't wear fire suits because it's a demonstration, it's a display. It's not a competitive race. [00:36:31] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a regularity. [00:36:33] Speaker A: Try telling people that out there when they're a dust. Yeah. So the vehicles have to go through a cam's scrutineering to make sure that they're actually safe enough to use out there. We have to wear a compliant helmet, fully enclosed shoes. Most people dress up in a pair of white overalls because that's what was done in the day, sort of again, to keep. Period correct. [00:36:59] Speaker A: The vehicles aren't rat rods, so they're not all rusty and patinaed like you would expect because they're 90 years old. You've got to remember they're only three or four years old when they're actually out there racing. So people had a good car, took the guards off and went out, had a bit of fun, put the guards back on and drove them back to Perth if they, they had too. So we are trying to recreate that as, as close as possible as you can. And for the people that want to see racing, go out there and have a look at the motorbikes because they're all the same category but the motorbikes line up and they actually do race on the track. [00:37:35] Speaker B: Yeah. And they're, they're all period like, they're all ERA they're all, they're all, you know, bantams, they're all Harley Davidsons, they're all Indians, they're all BSAs, they're all early, early, early, side valve stuff, side valve stuff. World War I, World War II. I mean that was the choice of. [00:38:00] Speaker B: Of transportation back then. A motorbike because it was cheap. It was cheaper than, it was cheaper than buying a car. Cars weren't, you know, they weren't as sophisticated and you know, needed a little bit more money to buy a car. And it was really only the, the station owners and, and stuff like that that had cars or businessmen, people in town who had shops or the pub, the publican and his wife or whatever. [00:38:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:38:27] Speaker B: So that was, was a, a Richie thing. But the bikes, I mean, you know, you've got those English bikes. [00:38:35] Speaker A: They're pretty cheap. [00:38:36] Speaker B: No, cheap. They were cheap. And. [00:38:40] Speaker B: So, and they, and they're pretty quick on the red dust. [00:38:42] Speaker A: Oh yeah. [00:38:43] Speaker B: And you know, they give it a good hard, hard slog. So, you know, it's, it's another part of the event where I know of only one event that had bikes and that was Winton Austin 7 Car Club in May. They had bikes and cars on the same event. Wow. Which unheard of. And they didn't get insurance to run this year with the cars and bikes, but in the previous 42 episodes of Austin 7 Winton Historics they did. We had Ron Simmons on a couple of weeks ago talking about the events because he's obviously a commentator and yeah, it was a shame that they, they couldn't run the bikes with the cars. And you know, the bike guys are fantastic because there's obviously blow up, blow up barriers that they have and they all put them out and everybody. Because they all want to race and it's the only time of the year that they can do that with historic cars. [00:39:56] Speaker A: Yes. [00:39:59] Speaker B: And it's Unfortunate that they've had issues this year, but like Pukalilli, they have it. And that's another. [00:40:11] Speaker B: It's actually another feather in the cap for the guys that run the event because no one else does it. Years ago, they used to do it at Bathurst. They used to have an Easter race. They used to have the bikes at Bathurst and the cars on the cars on the Saturday or the cars on the Sunday. I mean, that stopped in the 80s. [00:40:34] Speaker B: The most classic race like that was probably 72. 72, Bathurst, Easter. [00:40:42] Speaker B: When you had the immortal race of Ian Pete Geoghegan in the Mustang, Alan Moffatt in his Trans Am Mustang. And they forwarded out that weekend for lap after lap after lap. And then the bikes were on the Sunday. Excellent. Yeah, but that was. We're talking about the 70s. [00:41:04] Speaker B: So that doesn't happen anymore in Australia. But, you know, like Perkalilli and the bikes and the cars, it must be an amazing atmosphere to have all these different people. Yep. [00:41:15] Speaker A: And the public's welcome to come through the pits as well. So you get to see the cars, get to talk to the bikes. Yeah. And you're just there. It's not all excluded. You're just. It's just all part of it. And it's. And you've got the Variety Club, village, Trackside village that they've created. It's. It's a big event. There's a. They've built a grandstand last year. They'll do that again this year so people can sit up in the bleachers and watch it. And so when we're not racing or we're playing with the cars, we're up there watching the bikes or whatever, it's just. Yeah, it's pretty good. [00:41:48] Speaker B: It's going to be an amazing event. And, you know, all. All kudos to Variety and Graham Cox and these guys who are putting on the event because they're taking everything out there, even like us. I think Ash was talking that they're taking three or four water tankers a day out to Lake Perkalily for the. [00:42:15] Speaker A: Toilets and the showers. [00:42:16] Speaker B: For the toilets and the showers. [00:42:17] Speaker A: And. And it's. It's a fundraiser. [00:42:20] Speaker B: That's. [00:42:21] Speaker A: That's what the big thing is. You know, there's actually a, you know, silver lining to it. We do what we do. But they're making some money for charity. [00:42:28] Speaker B: Yeah. And. And. And that's the main thing. And that's the main aspect. And, you know, they're actually doing the community a service because. Because even the Kalgoorlie Shire Boulder, they're involved too, because. [00:42:46] Speaker B: It'S going to bring so many more people to town. To town. And, you know, obviously Kalgoorlie survives. It's in the heart of the gold fields. It hasn't got the greatest reputation at times. [00:43:02] Speaker B: I'm told the horse races are on the same weekend or the same week. [00:43:06] Speaker A: Yeah, race week. [00:43:07] Speaker B: Race week. And they're making it a bookend week. So the races are on the week before, the car racing's on the week after, and in the middle of the week, they're having all sorts of events and, and functions and. And all sorts of stuff. [00:43:24] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:26] Speaker B: Trying to enhance Kuli Boulder as a. As a place to go, destination. Yeah. Yeah, you rightly said as a destination, they're. They're also doing so, so much good for the community and the community welcomes it because they know. [00:43:47] Speaker B: That. [00:43:49] Speaker B: You know, when mining stops, when there's nothing more to dig out of the ground, they're gonna need something. They're gonna need something because there is absolute nothing. The only thing that's there is the history of the shire, the area, the gold fields, and. [00:44:08] Speaker B: It'S just another feather in their cap. And their Kalgoorlie Tourist association are involved. And from what I understand, anytime that somebody rings, they pass the number onto Graham or Ash and they, you know, ring them straight away and they pick it up and, you know, they go with it. So, you know, it's just another community event that's going to help the community and they pour a lot of money into the community, whether it be the hotels, the pubs, you know, the. [00:44:41] Speaker B: The. [00:44:43] Speaker B: Restaurants, the, the bars, the breakfast places. [00:44:46] Speaker A: Fuel. [00:44:48] Speaker B: Fuel. Because it's not. Not true to get out of Kalgoorlie and it's not cheap out there. And the. [00:44:55] Speaker B: Yeah, the Skimpies, they all love it. They all love it. They all like that. That's. That's one of the first things. Also, I said to Rika, what's a skimpy? Oh, okay. All right, I'll get it now. So it's pretty funny. So, yeah, so. [00:45:13] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. It's. I'm just enthusiastic for the event. Saw Graham's car, the boys and I've been hearing this car's being built everywhere in Perth. So how many cars do you think that are being built in the Rockingham Mandurah area, Graham? [00:45:33] Speaker A: Probably half a dozen that I know of. [00:45:35] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, it's pretty wild. They're building cars for one event and everybody's working towards the event. Yeah. And everyone's, you Know, heads down, bums up, trying to get their cars done for they got another month or so. [00:45:52] Speaker A: Yeah, six weeks. [00:45:53] Speaker B: Six weeks, Yeah. [00:45:54] Speaker A: I got friends down at no Anger up that's building a car. It's a very special, an American car called a Dort. Very, very rare in Australia. He built it and raced it up at Perco last time. [00:46:07] Speaker B: Yep. [00:46:09] Speaker A: But he's re engineered it and it's, it's going to be something to see. But you know, know he's just doing it in a shed, dirt floor, working hard, you know, in between working full time as well. So you know, everybody's got a story, everybody's on a journey to try and get there and some people won't make it but everybody's given it a pretty red hot go. [00:46:31] Speaker B: Yeah, they're all, they're all trying. Everybody's, you know, from what I understand and for who I've spoken to and, and everyone's just going hell for leather trying to get the cars done. There's fathers and sons, these people, there's cousins and cousins and families that got together and sons and daughters, sons and taught. Everyone's building a car. I mean I was just, I was gobsmacked how many cars he, oh frame said oh it's probably about 80 cars in Perth being built. Yeah, really. And then I was talking to one of the guys at the veteran car club. They go oh yeah, we've got a big car. Parch it. And he goes I like poker Lily. Everyone's buying stuff and you know, trying to build their cars up and get it done. And I go oh yeah, that's pretty interesting. So they've invited us out there as a car club with the XKXLX MXP Falcons of wa. So we'll probably have a run out there at some stage to have a look at the workshop and parts pavilion. Yeah, yeah, past pavilion because apparently it's massive. [00:47:34] Speaker A: It's, it is. You get junk grunt. It's so big. There's so much stuff there. [00:47:39] Speaker B: Junk grunt. [00:47:40] Speaker A: Junk, junk drunk. [00:47:43] Speaker B: Junk drunk, junk drunk. [00:47:46] Speaker A: Just get overwhelmed by just so many parts. [00:47:49] Speaker B: Is that, how did that come around? How did that come about? Did somebody just had the magic idea of gone, let's just save everything? [00:47:57] Speaker A: Yeah, I think so. I really, I mean his club's been around since the 50s so it just morphed and it just got bigger and bigger and donations get, collections get donated but you know, stuff comes up from farms. They go and buy it. They have their own budget so they'll sell stuff. They buy Stuff and it's just got bigger and bigger and bigger. They have a group of volunteers there every Wednesday that just toil away sorting stuff, cleaning stuff, putting it on the shelves, cataloguing it. It's a pretty good system now we even got fos. [00:48:29] Speaker B: Wow. Not even. [00:48:31] Speaker A: So you've got no excuse. You can't go. [00:48:33] Speaker B: I got no cash. Yeah, no cash. No cash here. [00:48:37] Speaker A: And then they built the workshop facility which is probably one of the only places left in Australia that makes wooden spoke wheels. So they make the spokes, they make the fellies. There's a team of guys there. That's all they do is just make wooden wheels for cars. They got a metal workshop now they've got an upholstery shop. Got a workshop workshop. [00:48:56] Speaker B: Wow. Better go out. [00:48:57] Speaker A: There it is. It is an eye opener and it's a great place for. [00:49:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:49:03] Speaker B: Wow. Because there's nothing like that back east. Know that for a fact. There is. There is nothing like haven't been out there yet. Been told to go out there, have a look. Yeah but there's nothing is whoever had that ingenious idea, man, you need a statue to that person, that group of people because it's actually, it's actually something that's actually. [00:49:35] Speaker B: Yeah, it's before their time. Like we sort of had something going back in the day in Melbourne but not to that extent. No, we just bought parts and stuff like that for the club. Yeah but it wasn't very well managed but that was okay. But this is just on another level altogether. [00:49:54] Speaker A: It is. Yeah. And I think they've got about two and a half thousand members across the state and lots of branches and sections as well. So Marks as well as, you know, Peel Branch, Bridgetown, Yellow all over the Albany Esperance. So you can be a member of the main club but you can still be in your own branch in your area. [00:50:13] Speaker B: Yep. [00:50:14] Speaker A: You know and if listeners want to have a Look, it's the VCCC of WA Veteran Car Veteran and Classic Car Club of WA located up in Hail Road. They're open 8:30 to 12:00 clock on a Wednesday. The spare parts pavilion. You'll remember members usually only but if you're thinking about joining the club or want to have a look, just go out there, make yourself known and have a look around and they'll help you either join or whatever. But yeah, it's kind of the one stop shop in all cars in wa. [00:50:50] Speaker B: Yeah, sounds like it. And I've heard of, yeah, I've heard of people go out there and buy Stuff that they can't buy anywhere else. And you know, that's probably where the majority of the Lake perkalilli cars for 20, 25. [00:51:06] Speaker B: A lot of stuff's come out of there has originated from. [00:51:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:51:09] Speaker B: So all these, all these cars, you think you just buy a car there? No, no, no, no. You buy a part. [00:51:14] Speaker A: Buy a chassis. [00:51:15] Speaker B: You buy a chassis and then you start from the chassis which is, you know, it's even beyond my comprehension, even though I sort of. I've sort of done that in the past too and bought a car and four boxes and then go from there. Yep. But at least I had a car with no running gear, but it was a car in four boxes, so I understand that 100%. [00:51:44] Speaker B: What's on the horizon for Graham Lockhart? [00:51:48] Speaker A: Oh, retirement into the near future and then play with cars. Build my two speeds, my Speedster and I've got a 1929 Graham Page Roadster. Beautiful, big American, powerful car. And then enjoy traveling around with my wife, going on holidays, going out the wheat belt, doing carbon. Who knows? [00:52:13] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. I mean, I've seen the grave. But the speeds is just, it's. I mean. [00:52:22] Speaker B: There'S something about them. [00:52:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:52:24] Speaker B: I mean you're going to recreate the speeds, the body and you know, you've got the shapers and you've got all the material, you know, you've. You've got all the engineering capabilities to actually do that. And yeah, you got the. But you've got the passion and it's all about the passion and the want to do it. Yeah, that's. And you've got a great bunch of guys there are helping and I'm sure, you know, they're thinking, oh man, it's done, we're over. Little do they know, Little do they know. Little do they know that this is the start of the journey. The next one, the next one. And the next one is. You know, I suppose this would probably be your. Your last racer. [00:53:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:53:14] Speaker A: Yeah. But I want to build it so that I can use it on the road. [00:53:17] Speaker B: Registered. Yeah. [00:53:18] Speaker A: Use it events with our speeder section and use it at the next Burke Lily and. [00:53:24] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:25] Speaker A: Who knows? My. I'd love to drive it around the Great Ocean Road in Victoria. [00:53:31] Speaker A: It would just be an amazing thing. Take it over east and just do that. [00:53:36] Speaker B: Yeah, probably not. I wouldn't, I wouldn't. Yeah, I wouldn't do that. I'll do the Black Spur. Yep, the Black Spur is probably better. [00:53:51] Speaker A: But just the idea of being able to go out and. [00:53:53] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah. Go to, you know. You know, go to Portsey. That's. That's a great drive along the beach, you know. You know, great ocean road. Too many tourists. Yeah, Too many tourists that don't know how to drive. Too many exits. [00:54:11] Speaker A: Fair enough. [00:54:13] Speaker B: It's not something that. [00:54:16] Speaker B: I personally would do, only because of the accidents that happen every week. And, you know, you've got a car and you're so far away from home. Yeah, you've got a car that's very special. [00:54:29] Speaker B: You know, there's other. There's other great drives. [00:54:34] Speaker B: Especially up through to Portsea and, you know, Sorrento and Queenscliff and, you know, Port Arlington, Geelong. You know, if you could do. If you could do the Geelong Speed Trials, take that car there, they would adore it. Yeah, because. [00:54:56] Speaker B: That'S what the speed trials were all about. The speed trials were all about speedsters back in the day. [00:55:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:03] Speaker C: And. [00:55:05] Speaker B: I raced it very early on when it was still run by Gary Grant and those sort of people. And they were the true enthusiasts. They had. There was Bugatti's, there was Austin Sevens, there was all sorts of cars, historic cars that competed at that event. And. [00:55:30] Speaker B: That was the golden era of the Geelong Speed Trolls. Now it's more. [00:55:37] Speaker B: Modern. Modern muscle, steel bumper. That sort of event changed it. It's changed. It's changed its. It's changed its role. But I remember going back in the, you know, early 90s and that competing, and it was. It was. Was fantastic. It was just, you know, you had your pigatties and the guys with their, you know, their berets backwards and the. It was. It was fantastic. It was thinking, man, have a look at these guys. I want. Yeah, I want to do that. You know, I never got the opportunity to do it twice in two cars. [00:56:12] Speaker A: Well, who knows? Our speed section might get legs really well and we might have big, huge events here. [00:56:18] Speaker B: It'd be great if. It'd be great. [00:56:22] Speaker B: It'd be great if that did happen. And I'm all for it. And talking talks behind. [00:56:30] Speaker B: Graham Lockhart and the speedsters, because I think that I could see the potential in it. And other people are seeing the potential in it, especially the people. The Count. The shire of Beverley. [00:56:44] Speaker A: Yes. [00:56:45] Speaker B: I think they're seeing the potential in somebody using. [00:56:52] Speaker B: A rundown facility. Facility. And they're thinking, well, we need to. [00:57:00] Speaker B: Enhance our livelihood in our town. And I'm sure that's the. They're really. I don't know a lot about it, but what they're doing for Kalgoorlie with The Red Dust Revival. If speedsters can do this event and grow Beverly, I'm sure that the Shire, the town will get behind the speedsters because it can only enhance the town and the population and it brings people and money into a town that's run down. [00:57:44] Speaker B: And it can only enhance the community not only as far as population but you know, if you have an event in a, in a, in a country town that, and you all go to a country town and sparks it. I've seen it myself at hill climbs, especially at Mount Lura Camperdown. The. [00:58:08] Speaker B: They used to have three or four hill climbs a year and the pubs will be full. Everybody's buying fuel. The part shop he's going guns. He used to make sure there's plenty of spark plugs and that sort of stuff if somebody broke down whatever whatever. [00:58:27] Speaker B: The CWA, they ran the canteen, the show grounds, they used to get camp at the showgrounds and stuff like that because there was, there was no caravan park there. So you parked it, you, you stayed at the showgrounds or you stayed at one of the pubs. The Gippsland Car Club took over a pub. The pub was dead three weekends a year. You couldn't move. [00:58:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:58:50] Speaker B: Because it was just car club people there for the weekend, their wives, their kids and it brought a spark to. [00:58:59] Speaker A: The town and I guess that's what we're hoping it's going to do. They've got the Tractor Pool association out there now on the, on that area. [00:59:06] Speaker B: Yep. [00:59:07] Speaker A: So we're trying to work with them. [00:59:10] Speaker A: And yeah, we want a family friendly event. We want to be able to bring people up, have the cars on display, have the car belt around the, in the dirt. Yeah. And just have a great weekend. So if we can have two or three events a year up there, I think it'll be a bit of a draw card for the town as well. [00:59:26] Speaker B: Oh yeah. Even if like, you know, they're, they're shy, will be silly not to get involved. And you can have a car show in the street on the Saturday. [00:59:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:37] Speaker B: You know you can have a, like a, the, the big thing back east, especially Philip Island Historics, they drive the historic cars from Phillip island racetrack to cows. Yeah. And they have a massive car show in Cowes on the Friday night and you can't move. I mean if you're not in Phillip island by Wednesday, forget about it. Yeah, because there's no accommodation, you know, and it's jam packed and there's a buzz around the town. GT3s, they've been doing that too. So, so it's already, it's already. [01:00:21] Speaker B: Sort of being done in another way out east. But for this to be a country town about an hour and a half from Perth. [01:00:30] Speaker A: It is, yeah, yeah. [01:00:33] Speaker B: You know, I think, you know, there's a lot of benefits to having a family car club. [01:00:44] Speaker B: We're not talking about, you know, the illegal drags that they had down at the casino or anything like that. We're talking about proper car clubs. We're not talking about, you know, the hoons that do the burnouts and the illegal racing, street racing, whether it be, you know, in Perth or anywhere else. We're talking about family clubs. Husband, wives, kids, grandkids, you know, we're talking about family clubs. You know, if you can get, you know, 50 cars and you know, a thousand people there in at the Beverly for the weekend. Yeah, that's an amazing weekend. And, and, and everybody would be so thankful for the, for the clubs to be involved and you know, the tractor pool guys. Yeah, it's not just, you know, you think cars and you only think main and stuff like that, but the girls have cars too. Yeah, so, so, yeah, so it's just another. [01:01:40] Speaker A: I just want to say that the Beverly Shire are really helping us to try and get this off the ground. So we just got issues with insurances and stuff like that. So it is a process. We hope to have our first event probably after Easter next year up there. So yeah, it's, it's a process to get there and get the track built, get barriers, get all those things, things in place, get, get everybody on the same page. But yeah, we're looking forward to it. We're working hard to try and make it happen. [01:02:07] Speaker B: So if you know of anybody that wants to help out the speedsters with barriers, we've got, we have got some, I'm sure that. I know they've got, I know they've got some, but anybody else. Mr. Cook, if you're listening, you're building a semi permanent track down in Perth. You know, sometimes cars hit barriers. Those barriers need to be repurposed and they need to be given to clubs. I know that the Australian Grand Prix Commission have given a fair amount of barriers to the Gippsland Car Club for the hill climb. [01:02:43] Speaker A: Wow. [01:02:44] Speaker B: So those, those barriers at the Gippsland Car Club at Bryant park in Newborough, Maui, out that way. They're all Australian Grand Prix. [01:02:54] Speaker A: Wow. [01:02:56] Speaker B: Barriers and they've been repurposed and I think the club just pays for them to be transported up. [01:03:04] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, we reached out through the club to Kennards. And they did a bit of a muster and they've donated a heap and card and construction have picked them up for us and organized to deliver them. So that's. We've got 20 barriers. It's a good start. [01:03:20] Speaker B: It is a good start. Yeah. And. [01:03:24] Speaker B: Yeah, it's just going to be another fantastic events coming, especially for a country town, for a group of guys building cars. And. [01:03:35] Speaker B: You know, it's. Car's not cheap to build. A steel bumper's not cheap to build anymore. Years ago they were cheap. But this is. I feel, and I've been around cars most of my life. I think that the what. What Graham and those people are doing with Lake Perkalilli and the Speedsters, with Graham here with us, it's the way to go. Because it's affordable. [01:04:09] Speaker B: It's an affordable pastime. It's affordable in so many different ways because everything's been repurposed. We're not talking about. I'm going to get chrome. It's going to cost $2,000 to Chrome, you know, half a dozen bumper bars and this and that. Or. Or I've got to get the upholstery from America or it's going to cost $10,000 in paint. Now, these cars, they don't cost a lot if you're willing to put in the time to do it yourself. And it's not. We're not talking professionals. We're just talking, you know, guys in their. In their sheds. Because we don't have man caves here in Australia. We have sheds. [01:04:49] Speaker B: Repurposing things. And that's the Australian way. The Australian way is to repurpose things. [01:04:53] Speaker A: Just have a go. [01:04:54] Speaker B: Have a go and. [01:04:57] Speaker B: YouTube it. YouTube it? You just YouTube it? I mean, I mean, that's one of the most modern things that you can do now is YouTubing something. Because you learn so much about. You learn so much about YouTube. There's a lot of rubbish out there, but car stuff, it's. It's pretty good, you know, and. [01:05:17] Speaker B: Can'T thank Graham enough for this afternoon. We'll be keeping contact with Graham and keeping a track of the car that the guys have built and Grimes built in his. In his shed. [01:05:34] Speaker B: And we'll follow the progress at Lake Percolilli. We're. I think we're still. We're either back from Europe. [01:05:42] Speaker B: Or we're still away when Lake Percolilli is on. So I still can't. The times. I think we fly in on the Sunday. Okay, so I think we. We. I think we miss it by a day. [01:05:55] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:05:57] Speaker B: So I'm pretty disappointed. But then Rebecca said, oh, we'll come back a day early and you can drive to Kalgoorlie. And I goes, we've just traveled halfway around the world and I'm just going to get in to Mr. Goldberg. Yeah. And drive to Kalgoorlie. I said, I don't think so. No, I think it's a good idea. [01:06:14] Speaker A: Watch it on TV. [01:06:15] Speaker B: Yeah, watch it on. Yeah. YouTube. YouTuber then. Yeah. We're going to talk to Graham on the phone at Percoli that weekend, and we're going to talk to, you know, Graham Cox and we're going to talk to. About the event and Ash. Yeah. So we've got a fair number of people to talk to who were there and a big. And it's going to be awesome to talk to them at the event. [01:06:38] Speaker B: The last weekend of September, October. Is that the King's birthday? [01:06:44] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's that weekend. [01:06:48] Speaker B: It's that weekend. And that weekend we're flying. [01:06:53] Speaker B: Which is. Which is. [01:06:57] Speaker B: Unbelievable. And there's more to come on that trip because we've got quite a number of things that are exploding on that trip as we tour as we speak. [01:07:10] Speaker B: So. Graham Lockhart, thank you very much, my friend, for coming in. Thank you very much for inviting me to your. [01:07:21] Speaker B: Shed. [01:07:21] Speaker A: The garage. [01:07:22] Speaker B: The garage. It was. I was impressed. [01:07:27] Speaker B: I was extremely. Like. It just took me home. Sometimes I get homesick and I know where I'm going to go when I'm homesick. I'm going to go to Grape and just sit there for 10 minutes and go, right, you're more than welcome. Thanks, Mike. [01:07:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:07:43] Speaker B: And we're going to play some now. [01:07:47] Speaker B: Graham's a very special man of. He said to me a couple of things that I've gone. I didn't expect that. So we're going to have. What's it. It's called indie. [01:07:58] Speaker C: Indie rock. [01:07:59] Speaker B: Indie rock. Now I have to look it up myself. And so we're going to play some songs, some indie rock songs for Graham, and. [01:08:11] Speaker B: I'm gonna make some. [01:08:15] Speaker B: Roasted root vegetable sausage rolls for Graham because Graham's also vegetarian, so. And I'm gonna make some ricotta Maltese pastitsi for Graham and his guys, because they're all. That's vegetarian, too. So the next time they have a workshop, I'm gonna drop some pastitsi off to Graham and they're going to have some Maltese pastitsi. Some. Some. Some pastitsi with pazelli with peas and some. [01:08:44] Speaker B: Some pastitsi with ricotta, which is vegetarian also, so these guys can have some proper Maltese fare. [01:08:52] Speaker A: Sounds pretty good to me. [01:08:54] Speaker B: Yeah, you can't get pastitsi in Perth. I sort of. I hunted them down yesterday and they go, oh, no, we don't have them. But we're getting. We'll get them for. So we're going to get some gato's pastitsi for Graham and the team and we're going to play some indie rock for Graham. [01:09:12] Speaker B: The Monsters and Men. [01:09:16] Speaker B: Little Talks, Dirty Paws, Benson Boone, Beautiful Things and Benson Boone. Slow it down. You're listening to talking talk on IPL radio. [01:09:30] Speaker A: The best music from the 60s to today. [01:09:34] Speaker B: IPL radio. Well, well, well. That was an hour of power with Mr. Graham Lockhart, Rockingham local Red Dust Revival competitor, car builder. And we learned so much in that hour of about cars and what they're doing and the team and. Unbelievable. Next week will be the third episode of the Red Dust Revival and we're going to have Mr. Nigel Quick, desert Collectors. Nigel's coming on. Nigel's in Kalgoorlie, so he won't be in the studio. And we'll be talking about the film that Nigel made on the Red Dust revival and how it came to be. And also Nigel's Desert Collectors auctions that he has and the Petronalia car analia, everything analia that Nigel sells. Nigel's a Western Australian institution. [01:10:50] Speaker B: Very well known, goes to all the swap meets and we are very privileged to have Nigel Quick on next Sunday at 3:00pm so. [01:11:03] Speaker B: You know, that should be another hour of Lake Perkalilli. [01:11:09] Speaker B: How it all, how the video got made, the premiere at the Louderville. [01:11:19] Speaker B: Cinema. That was an outstanding night. Graham Cox was there. Everybody that was. Anybody who was involved in the last. Like Perkalily was there and it was a fantastic. [01:11:35] Speaker B: Fantastic event. [01:11:38] Speaker B: Can't thank everybody enough. And also our fabulous switcher, Rob, who's in the back room to today. Thanks, Rob, for coming in on short notice. Tristan was sick, so Graham. Thanks to Graham and Rob and Rob's hoeing into the pineapple muffins. It must be a. A IPL institution now. Come and work at IPL Radio. Come and volunteer. And if you come and volunteer on a Sunday afternoon, you are the man to get. Man or woman or lady or they or it or she or whoever. I will produce. [01:12:25] Speaker B: Whatever you like, whether it be vegetarian sausage, rolls, muffins, chocolate cake, you know, Come and join us at IPL Radio and be a volunteer, be a switcher for us. Join the crew. It's a, it's a fabulous way to give back to the community and we're loving it. So the muffins are being devoured. Graham took a couple too and very, very happy with the pineapple muffins that I produced today. Now on the line, on the line we have our motorsport correspondent, Mr. Corey Horder, Formula V driver. Well done, mate. Top ten. [01:13:14] Speaker C: Yeah, thanks mate. Yeah, it was a pretty successful weekend the other week, so. Yeah. [01:13:20] Speaker B: Oh mate, that's amazing. I mean I was, I was chuffed at you. It was Winton. Winton's always wet. [01:13:29] Speaker B: And some dryness. But tell us about the weekend. [01:13:34] Speaker C: Yeah, it was very mixed conditions. It seems to be the last few years we've gone there. It's been earlier in the year so it's been warm, dry and this, this year they changed it up and it's not. It wasn't part of the Victorian State race series so they ran it through a different, through a double ASA run event which was really good and run it obviously this part of the year. And we had dry, dry running on Friday which was good to learn the track and then yeah basically the rest of the weekend was pretty much wet. Yeah. [01:14:09] Speaker B: So how did you. [01:14:13] Speaker B: So obviously did you guys set up the car differently? I read some things that you weren't happy with the car on Friday go at Saturday. Did it transform the car? [01:14:24] Speaker C: Yeah, we, well we fixed a few things up over the break between the, between the two rounds around we had in May and at the island and Winton we gave the engine a bit of a freshen up and change and fixed a couple of bugs we. We found in it and I, I changed a bit of myself with bit of bit of training through jumping back in the pool, doing some swimming and gym work. [01:14:47] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:14:48] Speaker C: And on the Friday we, we played around. Normally Winton's pretty hard on tyres so we went out with the oldest tyres we had in the set and yep I was struggling a bit with it so. And we knew it was going to be wet so we put the regular tyres on that we run in the wet on and it just changed the car a bit. We set the car up Sunday or the weekend for the wet. [01:15:10] Speaker B: Yep. [01:15:10] Speaker C: And ran that setup and just played with the pressures and it was, it was a weapon like it was. I wasn't pace of the fart like the front running guys but I closed the gap to the cars I've been trying to chase all year and was that actually felt like I had the, the pace to run with them. [01:15:27] Speaker B: Yep. [01:15:29] Speaker C: That was good to come away with 10th in qualifying and then. [01:15:36] Speaker C: Out of the three 10th places, out of the four races we had. [01:15:39] Speaker B: Yep. [01:15:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:15:42] Speaker B: So is that, is that set up? So obviously, did you guys freshen the engine up? How old was the engine? Was it down on power? [01:15:52] Speaker C: It was probably. It's been in the car for. [01:15:58] Speaker C: Roughly 12 months. [01:16:00] Speaker B: Yep. [01:16:00] Speaker C: So it's done 12 months worth of running between me and the other guy that was driving it late last year. [01:16:06] Speaker B: Yes. [01:16:07] Speaker C: So. And it was just. We just tried something like. We've got it. We've got another engine there. That's the spare one. That's, that's relatively brand new. [01:16:15] Speaker B: Yes. [01:16:16] Speaker C: And we're like, oh, Greg's just wanted to try a couple of things and he spoke to a few people and he's like, well, we've got the spare heads there that have just been. Been done. Let's just throw a set of rings and bearings at it and. [01:16:31] Speaker C: Put the new heads on and go from there. And yeah, it seemed to work. Seemed to have a bit of pace and. [01:16:38] Speaker C: I seemed to adapt to that track pretty, pretty quickly and. [01:16:44] Speaker C: Yeah, had a lot of fun. [01:16:45] Speaker B: Was it the Winton short track or was it the longer track? [01:16:49] Speaker C: No, it was the full track. [01:16:52] Speaker C: We thought because they had the super trucks on as well, we thought they may have ran the. They either may have ran all classes on the short track or all the other classes, bar the trucks. On the full track. On the, the full track. But they ran every class, including the trucks on the. I think they call it the national circuit. So the full one. [01:17:14] Speaker B: Yeah, the national circuit. They would have run the, the week after the VHRR had the historics on. So that. [01:17:23] Speaker C: Yeah, the historics were the week after us we ran in. [01:17:27] Speaker B: Yeah. So that would have been the long track also because they like the Winton in, in August. They like using that long track and the, and the Winton Austin Sevens in May. They like using the short track. [01:17:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:17:42] Speaker B: So it's a. It look, it's like, it's great. I mean, you know, the, the, the long track's good because you got that extra squiggly bit and then you got that long straight. Yeah. And you know, there's a bit more in it than the short track. I mean, the short track, it's great for the older historic cars. [01:18:05] Speaker B: But as Dick Johnson once said, it's like a little goat track in the middle of nowhere. [01:18:10] Speaker C: Yeah, it is, it's. It's. It's very, very tight and technical, especially around the back, the back section. Of the track. Yeah, if you can get. Everyone said if you can get your head around Winton and set the car up to be quick there, you're going to be pretty quick at most tracks. [01:18:27] Speaker B: Yes. [01:18:28] Speaker C: So, yeah, it's a very. [01:18:31] Speaker C: Short. The, the overall speed of the track's not very high, but it's still. You still get it, get, get moving around there pretty quick. [01:18:40] Speaker B: It's pretty technical, so that's, that's well done. So how many more rounds of the series are there for you, my friend? [01:18:48] Speaker C: Two more rounds for the year. We've got sand down in a fortnight's time. [01:18:52] Speaker B: Yep. [01:18:53] Speaker C: And then it's a fairly large break because. [01:19:00] Speaker C: Till November for Island Magic. But there, there is other events in between that we could do if we wanted to. But I'm tightening the purse strings a bit and just sort of locked in for the last two rounds and gonna work. Try and work on something for next year. [01:19:17] Speaker B: Yeah. So anybody listening out there in radio land. [01:19:23] Speaker B: Whether you're anywhere with a small business, anywhere that you want to go and see a young guy who's learning, a great car, a great series, plenty of, plenty of guys driving plenty of cars. You know, he's in the top 10. You know, let's, let's have a little bit of support for Corey Horder. Anybody who wants to get in contact with talking talk and I'll pass your details on to Corey and let's see if we can help him with a few rounds and hopefully look forward to next year. Mate, what's the. [01:20:05] Speaker B: So you got two rounds left. Sand down, sand ends, you know, pretty good. You've got the, you know, the new, the new engines being sort of done up a little bit. That's really a slip sleep. A. [01:20:19] Speaker B: A slip streaming track because really you got two long straights, a wiggly bit either end. [01:20:27] Speaker B: It's, it's, it's. It's not very technical, but it's very. It's technical because you want to see slipstream cars and you want to stay behind some cars to get that pull down the straights. [01:20:44] Speaker C: Yeah, it's definitely, as you put it, it's a very. With the two long, the front straight and the back straight being pretty much, we'll say 90% of the track with two very hard braking zones. You sort of want to get in the toe. Toe of a car. Car in front of and try and stick right up behind him to, to get that opportunity, if the opportunity is there, to have a dive under brakes into the two hard braking zones. [01:21:12] Speaker B: Is that, is that Something that you and Greg have spoken about the toe. [01:21:18] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Heaps. We're, we're always, we're always talking about that stuff. And at the start of the year when we ran there for the opening round I was, I was miles off the pace with that type thing like I'd lose the toe off the straight because I just didn't, didn't have the, the pace and the experience to run. [01:21:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:21:38] Speaker C: I'm hoping this time now I've got, I can sort of do that and still be able to run where I've been running. [01:21:47] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. And hopefully, hopefully, hopefully there'll be some good dry weather because there's nothing like a, a nice dry sand down surface. Even though it's bumping, it's bumping things. The, the wet. It's not as nice to drive around sand down especially if you're behind somebody with that spray and the slipperiness even going into turn one if you unsettle the car you're going to spin it. [01:22:17] Speaker C: Yeah, I, I learned that when we went there at the start of the year. Term one was my bogey corner. I could not get that right all weekend. There was a number of times where I'd either run off wide or lock it up and have a big slide and I think I even put it round a couple times through there. But it was, it's a very tricky corner to get right. [01:22:38] Speaker B: It's, it's very. [01:22:41] Speaker B: I spun the Knoller hole in there because I, I unsettled it and. [01:22:48] Speaker B: Apparently it was an amazing pirouette across the track into the, into the corner of the. I didn't hit anything and I just, I just did this like. It was just like I was going around in slow motion. Somebody says behind me mate. He goes, that looked really good. [01:23:11] Speaker B: Yeah, it was, it was pretty odd. It was pretty odd because I was doing 100, nearly 190 and sc. Yep and yep. Oops. No good. Unsettled the car. Bang. Did this little pirouette and ended up on the grass. I'm thinking wow, what happened there? Don't do that again. Don't break so late. [01:23:34] Speaker B: Don't break so late. So that's, yeah that's pretty good. So. Oh look, I mean you know, sand there is good. Phillip island at the end of the year that's another sort of track to. [01:23:47] Speaker B: You know. [01:23:50] Speaker B: It'S another track to get the toe. [01:23:53] Speaker C: Yeah. Philip Island's a track where the toe is. It is pretty much the. [01:24:01] Speaker C: The ace, ace in your, your deck that you need, you need to be in that toe. Because as soon as Philip on if you lose the toe. [01:24:09] Speaker B: Yep. [01:24:09] Speaker C: You're a sitting duck. [01:24:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:24:11] Speaker C: I don't know how many times I've seen the lead car come onto the straight in the lead and not win the race in the V's. It's just. [01:24:19] Speaker B: Yeah. It's even like formula Fords. They're the same. You know, the Formula 3s were the same. Anything with open wheels around Phillip island, you definitely need that toe because it does help you especially going into Southern Loop. [01:24:39] Speaker B: Coming, coming down Luki Heights, not so much, but around the back there, you really do need the toe. Yeah. And then. And that's irrespective of whatever, you know, sort of open car you got. But even, even in saloon cars, the toe, if you're behind a few cars, you know, that extra, you know, a couple of hundred revs that you're saving does make a massive difference if you're. [01:25:15] Speaker B: If you're actually. [01:25:18] Speaker B: Behind somebody and you want to overtake them, you know, so. So. Yeah. So let's see what happens, mate. Have you heard much of, have you seen much of the V8 supercars on hearing, you know Feeney won the round over Waters and Wood and you know, Brown spins an epic final. Did you, did you, have you seen much of that today? [01:25:42] Speaker C: What's a bit of it this weekend? Feeney, he's been untouchable in qualifying. He locked away all three qualifying sessions which I think in turn wrapped up the. [01:25:56] Speaker C: The qualifying championship for the year. So no one can pip him for that. So from what I can gather is he Gathers he's gained a 50, $50,000 check from Boost Mobile for that and he won the Spring Cup. [01:26:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:26:11] Speaker C: Bought his golden ticket into the finals. And today's race, it was actually, it's, it's funny like, it's, it has its real low points. Then it sort of picked up after the safety car and Waters, Kai Allen and Heim and Heimgartner Jump jumped up the order during the safety car. They were nowhere beforehand and all of a sudden they're up the front fighting. But yeah, Feeney's thing was on another level. As soon as he got in the lead, he just walked away. [01:26:40] Speaker B: Yes. Yes. So. So yeah, so we'll. Yeah, we'll see what happens. I suppose. You know, Feeney, Feeney's. [01:26:52] Speaker B: I mean, he's. [01:26:57] Speaker B: You know, last year it was, it was a good thing that Will Brown won. Yeah, I suppose, you know, I know what, what Will, where Will's head's been this season I suppose, you know, trying to, you know, I don't know if it's chasing NASCAR or, you know, he's, he's got the, you know, he's got the number one syndrome of going, oh man, I've done it. You know, it's going to come easy to me. You know, what do you, what do you, what do you think that's about? [01:27:32] Speaker C: I, I think he's, he's still been there this year. He's just had. Had a few races that haven't gone his way when it probably should have and he. [01:27:44] Speaker C: The races where Feeney hasn't been dominating, he hasn't been able to capitalize on it as much. Where. [01:27:53] Speaker C: Where Feeney, when he's, when he's on his game, he's like, like Wing cup was years ago. Like Dizzy was I think two or three years ago. Just when he's in front and he's there, you can't touch him. Yeah, that, that level above everyone else. [01:28:14] Speaker B: Yeah. Pretty interesting. So, so the Mustangs, do you think they're down on power still? Obviously they've had some issues with the crank again. Is it because they're, do you think they're throwing the car too much around and the vibration and the vibrations are killing it? [01:28:32] Speaker C: I think. [01:28:35] Speaker C: I, I don't read too much into the whole parody side of things with it. I think there's other things they can do to level up the racing with it instead of that. But I think that there could be something there that's a disadvantage, but it's. You could go, you could go to the bend next round and they could be back on the money. You don't know. But I think the biggest thing is the Ford drivers, they, they push their pushing too hard. Like. [01:29:04] Speaker C: Just the last five laps of today's race, it was Feeney, then it was forwards all back to seventh. [01:29:10] Speaker B: Yep. [01:29:10] Speaker C: But they were all into each other and a couple of the two walking shore cars had penalties and. [01:29:19] Speaker C: And whatnot. But yeah, I think it's just, I think it is. There could be something. But from an outsider looking in, I think it does look relatively level if you take out Feeney, if you, if you don't count Feeney in the equation. Yeah, it's pretty level. [01:29:37] Speaker B: But if you, if you like, if you took out Phoenix, it's the same as taking out Van Gisbergen. [01:29:43] Speaker C: I, I reckon it's very similar to the year that McLaughlin thumped everyone. [01:29:51] Speaker B: Yep. [01:29:52] Speaker C: I think, I can't remember, was it the first or second year that he ran the Mustangs. First Year where he absolutely. He wrapped the title up before Bathurst. Pretty much. [01:30:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:30:03] Speaker C: And I think it's like that. You take him out of the picture. [01:30:09] Speaker C: And the, the category is good. [01:30:12] Speaker B: Yes. [01:30:13] Speaker C: There is stuff to improve on to make it a bit more exciting, but. [01:30:18] Speaker C: Yeah, but the competitive side of it, like. [01:30:24] Speaker C: It'S, it's pretty level. [01:30:25] Speaker B: Yeah. What did you think of Watkins Glenn, SVG and Top and, and Mr. Zilich? [01:30:36] Speaker C: I mean where Gizzy got taken out. [01:30:39] Speaker B: Yeah. What do you think about that? That was pretty old thing. You give it, you take it. [01:30:44] Speaker C: My, my honest opinion is that was pretty dirty from, from the guy that took Gizzy. [01:30:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:30:53] Speaker C: He was the lead car. [01:30:55] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:30:55] Speaker C: Because he was so. He had track position and old mate was that far off the track. It wasn't funny when he come back on. I don't know why they don't police track limits in that class. But he was off the track, so. [01:31:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, off the track. [01:31:09] Speaker C: That was. In my eyes, that was an unsafe rejoin. So he should have been pinged for that. [01:31:14] Speaker B: Yeah. And then he, then he, he wins the race, goes and stands on his car, falls off, breaks some ribs or vertebrae or something. That only shows you that you can only be a dipstick once in your life before it hits you in the bum. [01:31:31] Speaker C: But you can see it before as he's climbing up on the roof, he's. His foot slips around on the window net that's hanging out. [01:31:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:31:38] Speaker C: You could see straight away something was going to go wrong there. [01:31:42] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. It's pretty out there. I mean I was, I was watching and I'm thinking, oh yeah, yeah. I suppose, you know, I suppose. [01:31:54] Speaker B: He was, you know, I mean. [01:31:58] Speaker B: The, the post race interview when the guys were talking to SVG were actually. I'll have a look at it later on. I'll have a look at it. It's bad for our team. So he's actually driving for, for JR Motorsports, which is Dale Jr. And Kelly Earnhardt Miller. [01:32:22] Speaker B: And it's, it's really a sort of a race by race. They've won over 100 Xfinity, Bouche Light, whatever you call this, the, the second series in America. You know, he's won, you know, numerous events this year. I suppose tonight or tomorrow morning. [01:32:45] Speaker B: 4:00Am Eastern Standard Time, the race at Watkins Glen for NASCAR. Let's see what. Hopefully we wake up and SVG wins his event tomorrow and that will take him to the most. The mo. The driver with the most wins in NASCAR this year because he would have won all the street events. [01:33:13] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah, he's. He's done pretty well this year when it comes to the. [01:33:19] Speaker C: The circuit type of events. He's. He stumped them pretty pretty well in that. [01:33:25] Speaker B: Yeah, he's. He's. [01:33:28] Speaker B: Yeah, he's learning. I mean, he's learning the ovals, I suppose. Last week, I was pretty sure it was last week he ran a Legends car. [01:33:37] Speaker B: In an oval and he won. [01:33:39] Speaker C: Yeah, I did see that. [01:33:42] Speaker B: That's pretty impressive because there were some pretty handy steerers in that event. [01:33:50] Speaker B: And it's good that he's learning from the. The ground up because ovals are totally different. Totally. We talk about slip streaming in, you know, Phillip island and this and that. I mean, that's what they talk about. Side slipping, side streaming, you know, the whole lot. I mean, you know, we. We only talk about the toe. They talk about the side toe, the back toe, the offside toe. I'm thinking, man, how many toes can you have? [01:34:17] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, it's. [01:34:18] Speaker B: It doesn't. It's crazy. [01:34:21] Speaker C: Watch it Date. When they do the Daytona 500, there's three or four cars and they're locked nose to tail, and then you've got another, like another lane right beside them doing the exact same thing, and they're all working together for 90 of the race. [01:34:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. It's, you know, it's just one of those. It's one of those. I mean. Oh, you know, I. I don't get it myself because I don't. I don't sort of. I like the, you know, we have road racing here. It was great that Bob Jane had the foresight in building the Thunderdome, and it's great that Kim and Rod are actually putting, you know, their money where their mouth is and, and doing the Thunderdome up and Calder park because it just turned the corner. There's a lot of car racing out there. There's a lot of. [01:35:14] Speaker B: Events happening at the Thunderdome, too. Now, you know, they've got some nice lights up. The place is looking spiffy. It's not looking run down and tired like it. Did you race it cold this year? [01:35:26] Speaker C: Yep. Yeah, I loved it. It was great. The facility, the facilities need a lot of work. They're still. The garages and that are full. Like, you can see that they've. The time's taken its toll on the place and. [01:35:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:35:43] Speaker C: And that. I don't know. I don't know if you remember the old grandstand on the front straight? [01:35:47] Speaker B: Yeah. Yes. [01:35:48] Speaker C: That's been condemned. You're not allowed up on that. But they've got awesome viewing area sort of running up towards the, the back, the last corner around where the old drag strip was and that. [01:36:00] Speaker B: Yep. [01:36:01] Speaker C: Watch all up there. And yeah, it's. [01:36:07] Speaker C: They'Re putting some money into the place and it would. But it will get better over time as they, they upgrade stuff which hopefully, I think that hopefully that's on their radar to do. [01:36:18] Speaker B: Yeah. So those, those, those pick garages, they've been around since the 50s. [01:36:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:36:24] Speaker B: I mean, you know, like they're over 70 years old. I mean, you know, it's great that they're doing, you know, the, it's great that they're doing things at Cola and, and it's great that the team. [01:36:39] Speaker B: That they've got are actually thinking about how to do things. [01:36:47] Speaker B: Rowan Harmon is their track manager these days and everybody knows Rowan. He's been involved in car racing and sports sedans and historic touring cars for over 40 years. So these guys are really doing a fantastic, fantastic job in preserving, preserving Calder Park. [01:37:11] Speaker B: And congratulations to that team. And Rod Jayne and Kim, his cousin and Rowan Harmon and that team of guys, you know, they're doing everything themselves. You know, they're penny pinching the money where the money needs to be spent and it's great to have an unlimited fund, as we all know. But they're doing a fantastic, fantastic job there. Hey, mate. Formula One Oscar Piastri. Yep. He was robbed. Oh, 100% he was robbed again. So it would have been. He would, he would have won the British Grand Prix. [01:37:54] Speaker B: And he, he most likely would have won this Grand Prix, so that would have given him another. [01:38:04] Speaker B: So he, he would have been well in front, at least 30 points minimum. Coming to the break. [01:38:13] Speaker C: They. [01:38:15] Speaker C: I didn't, I didn't actually watch the, the last round, the Hungarian one. [01:38:19] Speaker B: Yep. [01:38:20] Speaker C: But I've seen like all the highlights and everything on, on the news, on Facebook. He definitely had the pace and, and that. But that. It did look like pit strategy favored Lando with the one stopper. [01:38:36] Speaker B: Yes. [01:38:38] Speaker C: But it all. It also showed that when Oscar had that dive and locked up and nearly, nearly took both of them out. Between that and the, the incident at Canada, it looks like they're actually to some point letting them, letting them race each other. It's. So hopefully it sort of, they sort of go with it and let them race because I think if they do that and they. The chains are, are off, Oscar will have it. [01:39:13] Speaker B: Yes. Any day of the week, I suppose. You know, so when you look at it, and I like watching the analysis of Peter Windsor on The Monday and the Sunday night, because he really gets into it. And, you know, it was. I suppose if you listen to the pit. Pit, the car from land. From the pits to. To Lando. Yeah. They're saying, oh, I'm not worried about this, but I'm worried about, you know, two, three, and four. Not worried about one and two. I'm worried about two, three, and four. And then, you know, Oscar was. Oscar was actually gaining on him. And the other, you know, like, I think it came across. Remember Papaya rules? And then, you know, Lando's garage and said, hey, mate, you know, they're actually coaching him over the radio. I mean, and you don't. It's. It's. That's unheard of. You're coaching a driver to drive through corners. Because Lando, I believe, has got the mentality to make mistakes under pressure. Where Oscar is the cool, calm, collected kid from Brighton whose steely eyes, determination and the. The pit box called to Oscar, saying, hey, mate, Leclerc's X amount of second. He goes. He goes. I'm not worried about the clerk. I'm what. Tell me about Lando. I don't need to know about Leclerc. Look, you know, forget about it. Where's Lando? How much time? And, you know, I mean, he got really close. He probably wasn't close enough. And he could have done it on the last lap if he was closer, and that would have demoralized Lando. If he passed him on that last lap, it would have demoralized him even more than what he's demoralized now. I. I think he's. He's very much demoralized as a driver. Oh, yeah, he can do the good stuff. That's fine. But driving, if you haven't got the confidence yourself as a person, as we both know, if you're not happy in a happy place, like Graham said, it's my happy place. Start line. Nobody around, just me in the car. You've been there, I've been there, and that is your happy place. Oscar's happy place is in that car. [01:41:57] Speaker B: Chasing and working out how to pass Lando. [01:42:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:42:06] Speaker B: And that last if. If he was closer and he overtook him on that last corner. [01:42:13] Speaker B: And it was a dragway. It was a. It was a drag to the finish line. I'm sure Oscar would have pipped him, and that would have demoralized Lando even more because he's not. He doesn't look happy in the car. [01:42:26] Speaker B: He goes, oh, you just do this and do that. And, oh, yeah, we'll try that because he knows if he doesn't try something. [01:42:33] Speaker B: And it doesn't work or it works, that's how he's going to beat Oscar Piastri. [01:42:40] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:42:44] Speaker C: Once they. [01:42:46] Speaker C: They'Ve pretty much wrapped it up now. Once they wrap up the Constructors Championship. [01:42:50] Speaker B: Oh, that's done, mate. That's, that's already. [01:42:52] Speaker C: I mean, I think, I think it is. But it's just a matter of rounds before it's official. [01:42:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:42:59] Speaker C: That once they've done that, that they, that Zach goes radio free to race. Go for it, put on a show and then we'll, we'll see who's there. [01:43:11] Speaker B: Yeah, it's gonna be what he did at Spot, what Oscar did at Spa. He was always going to do that. He, he was thinking about it. He goes, have I got enough traction? Am I going to get enough? And that's what he was doing all weekend. Have I, if it rains, have I got enough pull? Have I got enough, Am I going to get enough traction to pass him? And he did. Yeah. So I think the thinking man, the steely driver, there's always, there's always. When he's been two drivers in a team and one's been really happy and the other's been, you know, hard nosed, it's always the hard nosed racer that comes out on top. [01:43:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:43:47] Speaker B: It's not the guy that's, you know, smiling to the cameras and he's got the girlfriend, he's got his LaFerrari and this and that or he. Senor McLaren or whatever he's got. It's always the hard nosed racer that comes out on top and nine points, you know, like if, if it keeps back and forth for the next 10 rounds and Oscar wins five and the other and Lando wins five, it's, it's still going to come down to, you know, it's going to come down to less than 10 points. Remembering that Oscar in the championship said he did win in Formula 3 and Formula 2. One of those was by one point. Remember, only takes one point. [01:44:29] Speaker C: I'm pretty sure that was his Formula 3 championship too, because I remember watching that race. [01:44:34] Speaker B: Yeah, he, he won by one point. So it's, he's, not, he's not immune. [01:44:41] Speaker C: No, he, he can handle the pressure. Well, yeah, he, he's got, it's going to come down to whoever's the one that's leading the last lap of the last race of the year is the one that's going to get it. [01:44:52] Speaker B: Well, yeah, we've, we've seen that. With, you know, we've seen that with. [01:44:57] Speaker B: Max and Lewis. Max and Lewis. We've signed up with Lewis and. And. [01:45:04] Speaker B: The Ferrari driver. [01:45:06] Speaker C: Yeah, Massa. [01:45:07] Speaker B: Massa one point. You know, he had it one. And then, you know, that was at Brazil. So that was. That was one. That was two points, whatever it was. [01:45:20] Speaker B: So, you know, so you got all that sort of stuff. So I think, you know, the steely determination of the kid from Brighton. [01:45:30] Speaker B: Will come through. And the person who's, who's in Oscar's corner, who's going to help him the most in this, in this scenario is Mark Weber. [01:45:43] Speaker C: Yeah. 100. [01:45:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Because he was there. [01:45:46] Speaker C: He was against the one and two driver thing, so I think that's what's helping him. [01:45:51] Speaker B: So Mark Weber's in. In. Mark Weber's in Oscar's corner. And you know, he's a pretty. He was a pretty determined driver and racer in the day, you know. [01:46:06] Speaker B: But he had to toe the line because obviously, you know, Red Bull. Yeah, I mean, he. I mean, he could have raced at Red Bull for another couple of years, but obviously Danny Ric took over. Oscar now is on par with. With Danny Rick with as far as. As many wins that he's made. And he's actually. He's actually. [01:46:30] Speaker B: He's actually won more races. [01:46:33] Speaker B: Than Alan Jones and Sir Jack Brabham in their Formula one championship years. [01:46:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:46:42] Speaker B: So that's another amazing feat. I mean. [01:46:47] Speaker B: You know, in years gone past, there was obviously less races. I think it was 12 races a year. Yeah. [01:46:53] Speaker C: I think I remember back in the Schumacher Benetton era, It was like 10 races for a season or something. [01:47:00] Speaker B: Yeah. So, you know, there's 24 races. [01:47:06] Speaker B: You know, it's obviously double what they had. [01:47:11] Speaker B: It's going to be an interesting time after the break, after the summer break. I don't think anybody can catch the McLaren. [01:47:22] Speaker C: They're a different level this year, which, which, it's funny, like you look back when they change to. To this specification of the cars. Red Bull come in. In that. Come back at Mercedes in that last year, and then they were dominant for the first part. Now it's McLaren, McLaren doing it to Red Bull. I wonder if that sort of ball will roll the same way next year with the new. [01:47:51] Speaker C: Regs. [01:47:53] Speaker B: Yeah, it's. It's gonna be an interesting time. And I suppose, you know, we're all hoping that Oscar prevails. [01:48:05] Speaker B: I think it'd be good for. It'd be good for the sport. [01:48:10] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:48:11] Speaker B: It'd be good for Australia. [01:48:14] Speaker B: There's always winners and losers Unfortunately, Lando's been there through the dark days of McLaren. [01:48:25] Speaker B: He had Sains, he had Danny Rick there. I suppose. [01:48:30] Speaker B: In hindsight, if Danny Rick was still there. [01:48:35] Speaker B: Lando will be well in front. Oh, 100 well in front of Danny Rick. And he'd be showing Danny Rick the door. Yeah, Oscar, man. Nobody wanted him. [01:48:51] Speaker B: He set out that year until something came about. Alpine stuffed up. [01:48:59] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's. And that's Mark Weber's fortitude. Sit back, wait and see what's going to happen. You know, the team is. Is good, but it's probably falling apart, you know, McLaren, you know, Danny Rick's having a bad time, you know, couldn't drive, lost his passion, lost his pizzazz, you know, and, and at all these drivers. And, yeah, Lewis is the same. Like, I've been, I've been watching a fair bit of Peter Windsor lately about Lewis Hamilton and when they get successful and they do other things, when I've. I've got a music company now, I've. I'm making, you know, you know, low alcohol vodka, mezcal. Doing this and just about to say that. [01:49:51] Speaker C: Didn't he troll everyone this week with that? We put the big thing up. Big announcement coming on this day and everyone's like, oh, putting videos up of him and the screen turning the black and white. Like when Vettel announced his retirement. Yeah, no, he's just announcing the drinks Brandy's bringing out. [01:50:07] Speaker B: Yeah. And, you know, Danny Rick was just like, oh, I've got my own fashion brand. I've got this, I'm doing this. I'm. I've got my own wine. I'm an Optus ambassador, mate. You drove race cars. Your business is driving a race car. [01:50:24] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:50:25] Speaker B: Your business is not. Oh, but it's my brand. But your brand was built driving a car. Once you stop driving a car very fast, you're no longer a race car driver. [01:50:44] Speaker B: When you're, when you're looking at your business, your brand. Oh, yeah, I'm selling this. I'm selling this, I'm doing that. And your mind's off that car of how to go quick. [01:50:55] Speaker B: You'Re, you're, You're a dead duck as far as, as far as I'm concerned. I mean, you know, unless you're motivated 100% driving that car, you're. You're one with the car. All you think about is the car and going fast. [01:51:12] Speaker B: You'Re done as a driver. [01:51:14] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree to an extent, but I don't think, I don't think they're 100% when they're out of the car they're not. [01:51:24] Speaker C: Not thinking about it. Like yeah, their mind's on other things as well. But that just could be. I know I use stuff outside of the racing as a sort of escape to get me mind off it and then when it's time to focus, it's time to focus sort of things. That's. But in the same sense like if you're running five or six different multi million dollar things. [01:51:50] Speaker C: You sort of go, well which one's more important? [01:51:53] Speaker B: And yeah, that's true. And I, and you know, I was, I mean I know the analogy. This is another analogy. I remember sitting at the table with, with dad and whoever family was around that night and all we used to talk about dad and I was how are you going to go faster here? What are we going to do? And I remember, you know, girlfriends and other people and mum would say to them, that's all I talk about, how to go fast. [01:52:23] Speaker B: Or how they're going to set the car up or you know, what the weather's going to be like or it was bizarre and all we thought about was how are we going to go quick or are we gonna, you know, or what's gonna happen. And that's what we, that's what we just spoke about for a whole week. [01:52:45] Speaker C: Until yeah, I'm, I'm no different. I'm trying to scale it back but I'll sit there nine times out of 10, whether it's with Greg, the old man, a couple other mates, it's always about the racing. It's, it's, we sort of try and you don't realize you're actually doing it until you sort of sit, take a step back and go, oh, hang on. [01:53:09] Speaker B: Probably talk a bit too much about that. But we just talk about it all the time. Like I know my mum's listening tonight. She'll go, yeah, they just, you talk about the cars or you know, oh, the NOLA this or the dollar or that or whatever. Is that all they talk about? Well, what do you want us to talk about? We're running, we've got to, yeah, we've got to get some points, you know, what's going to happen, what's, what's the weather going to be like? You know, because I was always one to find out. All right, it's going to be dry. Let's go to this setup and just go to the track instead of playing with the car at the track, the case to be set up, ready to go. [01:53:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:53:50] Speaker B: And I suppose you Know, it's a little bit different. You know, we were just hill climbing but yeah, we're taking a, well, taking it seriously to the fact that, you know, you've got some great brains trust there in Greg and you know, your dad and you know, there's Ernie there and the Moe Mauler. Yeah, you got some, you got some great people in your corner, my friend. You got some, you got some awesome. You got some awesome people that draw. Draw inspiration and you know, they've been around a long time and Greg's the wily. Greg's coming on in a couple of weeks and we've got to hit Greg. Going to hit Greg hard with some, some great questions and, and I know he's given it up, so to speak, but I don't think so. [01:54:35] Speaker C: He ain't giving it up. You got, you got to wish him happy birthday for when we're at win too. It was a running joke we had going while we're up there and it was, it was funny as. [01:54:46] Speaker B: He'S, he's, he's a legend. He's a legend in more, in more ways than people would think that, you know, everything, everything that he's built has come out of that shed too. [01:55:00] Speaker C: Yeah. 100 like everything like that little, little garden shed he's got that. You got to walk over stuff to get to things. It's the amount of things he's built that's come out of there is crazy. [01:55:11] Speaker B: And good and fast and, and how many championships have they won and, and Drew and the Escort and you know, just so many things have come out of sheds that you wouldn't think that they come out of a shed. You know, I mean, I just had like Graham on and I looked at his shed and his shed is not dissimilar to Greg Beauchamp shed or Jim Chanter shed or, or even though Ernie Corey's got a much larger shed these days. [01:55:46] Speaker B: Out of his shed or you know, whoever we knew, you know, Alan Kerr, you know, those sort of people. You know, it's just how you go about. And how you want to do it, how you want to go. Yeah, just go about your racing. So. So, mate. So. All right. So Feenies. So Feenies. So back to the V8s. Feeney's won. The Fords are, you know, second to seven, which is, you know, I mean, you want to win. [01:56:15] Speaker B: Obviously. There's another interesting video that's come out this week, the Erebus Motorsport videos. I was, I was intrigued to, I was intrigued to, to read some of the Some of the things that has come out about error of us this. [01:56:33] Speaker C: Week, obviously I think that's going to be a very interesting watch that It's. I like how they say it's going to be the tell all story behind them, but. [01:56:49] Speaker C: It'S not going to be the tell all story. The story everyone wants to know about is not even going to be. It'd be very surprised if it's mentioned. [01:56:57] Speaker B: Yeah, I think so too. And Brody and Will Brown have got a podcast out. [01:57:05] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:57:05] Speaker B: And they touched on their leaving Erebus and their thoughts on how that happened. Each of them left, you know, this, you know, that year, I mean, so to speak. Yeah, well, I mean Will went to Triple eight and they wanted to. And Barry wanted to bench him straight away. [01:57:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:57:28] Speaker B: So it sounds to me. [01:57:30] Speaker C: See that post. [01:57:33] Speaker B: Barry wanted to bench him straight away. Now. [01:57:37] Speaker B: Brody came across that there's a line there. He wanted to do the same to me. [01:57:45] Speaker B: There's a line. There's a line in that. There's a sentence in. There's a line in that report on V8 Sleuth or. [01:57:55] Speaker B: Speed Cafe. There's a line that says. He wanted to do that to me too. [01:58:02] Speaker B: And I think that line is the telling story of. [01:58:11] Speaker B: What was going on. He wanted to get rid of. He wanted to get Will. He wanted to get rid of Will and bench him. Brody said no and stuck up for Will Brown. And then when he said, well, I'll do the same, well, I'm going to bench you too. And then the proverbial hit the fan. [01:58:31] Speaker C: Yeah, I, I think there was a lot of stuff happened after that final round that year. [01:58:36] Speaker B: Yep. [01:58:37] Speaker C: Because there was something about to Will not being allowed to celebrate the team's championship. [01:58:44] Speaker B: Yes. [01:58:45] Speaker C: And something about a hotel room and a few choice things happened and. Yeah, but I think that sort of. That's the, the rumors going around. Well, but I think there's a lot of people that have been made to. To keep quiet on it, which will be interesting to see with this documentary. [01:59:04] Speaker B: It's going to be interesting especially that if you can listen to the podcast of Brody Kostecki and Will Brown. If you can listen to that and then disseminate. [01:59:19] Speaker B: And read between the lines. [01:59:22] Speaker B: The truth there. [01:59:25] Speaker B: You know, Peter Ederton, you know, Pistol Pete. I think. [01:59:31] Speaker B: He was probably pushed out to. [01:59:38] Speaker B: He was probably pushed out in front of. [01:59:45] Speaker B: Erebus and behind him was Paul the Dude Morris. I think Paul Morris was pulling some strings. [01:59:55] Speaker B: The fall guy was probably Peter Edison and he doesn't care. Peter Edison. I mean, He's a legend. Yeah, he's a legend. He'll. He'll say what he wants to say. [02:00:03] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, I'm not a big fan of him, but he. What I do like of him. He's. He's not scared. He doesn't mince his words. He'll come out and say what he says or needs to be said. [02:00:16] Speaker B: And yeah, Peter Edison was Mr. Boost Mobile. Mobile phone. So with Brock Feeney winning, the Boost Mobile thing is a bit of a. Not sour, but a bit of a. Bit of a comeuppance because. [02:00:36] Speaker B: Brock Feeney wouldn't wear the hat when he was running polls. Peter Adderton did spend a lot of money boost money on Brock Feeney. [02:00:47] Speaker B: So, yeah, so there's a bit, there's a bit, you know, there's a bit of history there. [02:00:53] Speaker B: And it's going to be. It's got this. I. I can't wait to see. [02:01:00] Speaker B: To see what Betty says and does and what. Barry Ryan. Because we sort of met Barry Ryan a few times. [02:01:10] Speaker B: Actually. We, we met Barry Ryan once and you weren't there. This particular night, it was the night of a hill climb at Ararat. [02:01:22] Speaker C: Yep, I know. The night you're talking. [02:01:26] Speaker B: The famed night of. Yes, it was a. That was a. That was a. [02:01:32] Speaker C: The night I had a very interesting phone call. That'll be number one fan moment with my favorite driver. [02:01:41] Speaker B: Yes. [02:01:44] Speaker B: Craig Allowance. [02:01:45] Speaker C: Yes. [02:01:46] Speaker B: Your dad got Craig Lens on the blower at the door to talk to you. And my. It was all. It was a pretty. It was a pretty wild night. [02:01:58] Speaker C: Yeah, so I heard. Like. I wouldn't, wouldn't have played that much because I would have only been, I. [02:02:04] Speaker B: Reckon, what, I mean, 13, 14. [02:02:08] Speaker C: Yeah, something around that. [02:02:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [02:02:10] Speaker C: You were even 12. [02:02:11] Speaker B: Yeah, something like that. Yeah. But it was a, mate. It was a night where. [02:02:18] Speaker B: What can I say? Can't even. It's, it's, it's. It's a. It's a night of folklore. That's the only way to describe it. You know, John Faulkner was there. He brought his V8, his better electrical car out, broke the outright record, was doing a. You know. You know, he broke the record. You know, they. They changed tires, they. You name it. It was just one of those. But the night at the pub had to be the night of folklore. The. There's no, There was nothing untoward. It was just one of those. [02:02:54] Speaker A: I don't know. [02:02:54] Speaker B: It was the last hill climb of the year. Everybody was there. There was a lot of people that we know that aren't. Aren't around any longer. They've passed on. The Gippsland Car Club were first and forefront on the night without fail. [02:03:11] Speaker B: And it was a fairly interesting night. Two young ladies behind the bar and I suppose the bar, the. The guy who owned the pub hasn't seen that much money in that till. For 100 years, is. [02:03:26] Speaker B: Allison Faulkner. And. [02:03:31] Speaker B: Buying the bar, taking money and they filled up. That. I mean, yeah, it was a pretty interesting night. So. So, yeah, mate. So, yeah, well, we can reminisce about that night. Gonna talk to your old man and get the Moe Mauler on and we can talk about that night. That's folklore. That was. That was the most. One of the most bizarre nights I've ever seen in my life. But it was. It was a fantastic weekend, you know, I mean, when does the V8 touring car driver, the likes of Craig Louns, come to an event? When does. Yeah, the likes of. [02:04:09] Speaker B: You know, Mr. [02:04:10] Speaker C: Faulkner not just come to the event, but come to where everyone's staying and. Yeah, and join in with them. Not just. [02:04:17] Speaker B: Yes, that was the whole. The premise of everything was everybody was staying at the same motel, pub. Yeah, everybody. And it was a wall to wall of faces that we knew, and there was a wall to wall of faces we didn't know, but they joined in. You know, now the Faulkners, the Lounes, there was, you know, Barry was there and those guys, Mr. Smith and his Ferrari from Smith's Trucks in Ballarat, they were there. There was like. There was people there that, you know. [02:04:53] Speaker B: Was unbelievable. Just. Just the people that you don't actually see in an event. But we'd seen people go to events. You know, we spoke to. When we spoke to Graham Lockhart about, you know, they're. What they're doing at Beverly. I mean, I've seen it at Mount Lura when the Gippsland Car Club would take over a pub. [02:05:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [02:05:15] Speaker B: And they loved it because we. We drank, we ate, we played pool, we had breakfast. We stayed there for two days, three days. The Australians, I mean, you couldn't move. And just the atmosphere was. Was fantastic. And the atmosphere at this pub that night, I can assure you, everybody that's listening was quite amazing. Nothing untoward. It was just a funny night. It was just one of those nights. So, mate, thanks for. Thanks for jumping on. [02:05:51] Speaker C: No problem. [02:05:52] Speaker B: You know, we've been. We've been at it for another hour. [02:05:58] Speaker B: Which is fantastic because we're just reminiscing about what we're done, what we're doing, where we're going and we've had Corey Horder on the phone, our motorsport correspondent, as I would fondly call our great friend from South Eastern Australia, and about how he's going and the top 10 finish at Winton. And we've spoken about everything from Formula V to, you know, Formula One and everything in between. And that's what we do at Talking talk. We talk about everything that interests us and it's like two mates talking over the phone, having a beer. Unfortunately, I'm here in. I'm here in Western Australia and Coral Ree's back in Victoria, Southeast Victoria. So, mate, thanks a lot for coming on. [02:06:49] Speaker C: No good. Anytime. [02:06:52] Speaker B: We're gonna. [02:06:56] Speaker B: We'll probably get you on after we come back from. From overseas. [02:07:00] Speaker C: Yep. [02:07:01] Speaker B: Because we'll talk about Sandown. I've got the. Your boss. [02:07:07] Speaker B: Mr. Beecham, coming on in the next couple of weeks. Probably the last. [02:07:11] Speaker C: Listen to that. [02:07:12] Speaker B: Probably the last week, the last week of August, the last weekend of August before we go overseas. [02:07:20] Speaker B: So Greg's lined up. I might even. I might even get hold of Brian Casser Moe engines. [02:07:29] Speaker C: Yeah, that'd be one. There'd be some stories there. [02:07:32] Speaker B: Yeah, there's some more stories there with Brian, but we're going to be talking about. [02:07:38] Speaker B: Oil. [02:07:40] Speaker C: Yes. [02:07:40] Speaker B: Oily motorsport, because the oily motorsport and Brian is so clued into it. [02:07:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I think it'd be a great discussion to have with Brian about friction of the engine and the type of oil you use in a race engine. So. So, yeah, so, mate, another hour of power with Corey horder, Formula V Racer, 73 Motorsport. Look him up on our Facebook page. We've got reels of Corey in the Formula V. [02:08:19] Speaker B: And. [02:08:22] Speaker B: Yeah, mate, so thanks a lot for coming on today. Ah, not a problem and we'll catch you in the future. Make it up early. SVGs on at 4am a Australian Eastern Standard Time. So be another couple of hours later, maybe 7:00am Perth time, Western Australia. [02:08:42] Speaker B: See what he can do. A Watkins Glen. Watkins Glen. Some notes about Watkins Glen. It was a. That's where America had their Formula One races in the 60s and 70s at Watkins Glen in New York State. Our good friend George Vitkovic, Mr. Python himself is in New York at the moment and was on the radio spruiking himself as only George Witkovic. Can you remember George in the. In the orange and silver python Cobras in the day around at Sandown? Champion driver, champion bloke, Mr. Extraordinaire, cowboy hat man, cowboy boots. So, yeah, mate, thank you very much. We're going to play some music. [02:09:31] Speaker B: With the passing of Cold Joy. Cold Joy. Australia's number one, Australia's first number one. Top of the charts in the, in the 50s and 60s. ColdJoy passed away this week. Some remember him is his smile. Some remember the, the as an entertainer. The Vietnam vets remember him entertaining them in Vietnam. His, he was, he was performing the day with little Patty at Nui Dat. [02:10:10] Speaker B: And not far from them was the battle of Longtan which is every Australian knows about the Battle of Longtan. So we're going to play some Cole Joy, some col joy in the Joy boys. [02:10:22] Speaker B: The passing of Cole Joy. This week, another Australian Legend only on IPL radio, Rockingham. [02:10:29] Speaker A: The best music from the 60s to today. [02:10:33] Speaker B: IPL radio. Okay everybody, we're coming to the end of another fantastic broadcast of Talking Talk. We've been playing some Johnny o' Keith been playing some Cold Joy in the Joy Boys. We've been playing the Atlantics. [02:10:51] Speaker B: Cold Joy's death. This week, one of Australia's superstars in of the 50s, Johnny O'. Keefe. The Atlantics, they all played together at the arenas around Australia. The Bondi Surfers. [02:11:08] Speaker B: You know, Festival hall in Melbourne, Horton Pavilion, places in Perth. So we're just playing some old school Australian rock and roll, some great Australian rock and roll legends. [02:11:25] Speaker B: And it's bringing the show to an end. But next week's show, another jam packed episode broadcast Talking Talk. We've got the final episode or broadcast if you like. [02:11:43] Speaker B: Of the Red Dust revival, Lake Perca Lily 2025. [02:11:51] Speaker B: And we've got Mr. Nigel Quick from Desert Collectors coming on now. Nigel Quick, Desert Collectors. What's he got to do with Lake Percolilli? Nigel bought a car from Graham Lockhart. [02:12:10] Speaker B: That he sort of ran at Lake Percolilli three years ago. [02:12:15] Speaker B: Nigel also made a outstanding film of the Lake Perkalilli event three years ago and that was. [02:12:27] Speaker B: Previewed, screened worldwide at the. [02:12:34] Speaker B: Cinema in Leaderville. So that was a, a fantastic night to go to. So, so the bookend is talking to Nigel about the making of the film Lake Percolilli and how it came about. [02:12:53] Speaker B: And. [02:12:55] Speaker B: Obviously his Desert Collectors shows on TV and the Desert Collectors. [02:13:04] Speaker B: Facebook page, the Desert Collectors auctions that Nigel has, I think he has two every week and the amazing clips and reels on Nigel's Facebook page, Desert Collectors. So that's next week and we've got another special guest coming on after Nige Nigel and. [02:13:34] Speaker B: We'Ll know more about that in the middle of the week. But next Week's program, Part 3, Lake Perkalilli with Nigel Quick. [02:13:45] Speaker B: What we learned today, well, we learned that. [02:13:52] Speaker B: Passion about a car, passion about events, men's mental health. [02:14:00] Speaker B: And everything in between. So, Graham Lockhart, thank you, my friend, for coming into the studio and having a chat to us for that hour and a bit, which was amazing. It could have gone for another few hours and it did go for a few hours on Wednesday afternoon. [02:14:23] Speaker B: A lot to think about. [02:14:26] Speaker B: A great Western Australian event. [02:14:29] Speaker B: It can only happen here in wa. Can't happen anywhere else. [02:14:34] Speaker B: And the. [02:14:37] Speaker B: Starting off of the speedsters, you know, you got to be excited about that. The guys are building cars in their garages again. It doesn't have to be a million bucks, doesn't have to be a steel bumper, but they're getting, they're getting motivated, getting, helping each other out, building cars. The, the historical guys and their workshops and their worksheds and the, the parts that they've got for cars is. [02:15:11] Speaker B: Blow you away. I've got to go out there and I know our good friend Joe Fafaro from the XKXLX MXP Fell Winston wa. He's mentioned it a few times and we, the club will probably most likely have a run out there to have a look at what they do. [02:15:29] Speaker B: And I'm, I'm eager to, to have a look at their whole setup because, you know, there's, there's everything now that they, they're making wheels, they're making wooden wheels, which is. [02:15:41] Speaker B: A lost art in itself. Making wheels is a lost art anyway because we don't make anything here in Australia anymore. There are some very smart individuals making carbon fiber wheels back east. There's some great individuals making copies of Moyers and Simmons and things like that. So, you know, we're all about looking at what we're going to do and how we're going to do things and we're going to do things in the right way to preserve Australian culture and, you know, Australian music. So we've got, you know, we've played some Johnny o' Keefe and some Cold Joy in the Joy Boys and Cold Join the Atlantics and you know, we, we're all about having a good time. So, you know, it's a privilege to be on air at IPL Radio Rockingham. Thanks to Rob for his help switching this afternoon. [02:16:40] Speaker B: By means. Anybody who is listening, who wants to get involved, be a volunteer with IPL Radio. It is a fantastic way to give back to the community. We're all volunteers here. We all, we all, we all put our own time, effort. Tristan Reddick JP. [02:17:05] Speaker B: Is the man who's tying everything together. And we have a great group of volunteers with some fantastic shows on IPL Radio from Monday to Friday, you know, and, you know, please listen in because these guys are. [02:17:25] Speaker B: They're giving to the community and. [02:17:29] Speaker B: Everybody'S got their own little quirkiness. [02:17:34] Speaker B: And we're doing the community service because we're giving back to the community something that, you know, we're giving a voice to people who don't have voices. And that's part of the IPL mental health. That's our genre. That's how we. We express ourselves. So we're giving. Giving a voice to people who can't do it, who have trouble doing it. And some of the young people that come into IPL Radio, they're timid, they're shy. But when they. You see the spark, the bright, their eyes light up when something happens or they love talking about what they're doing and things like that, that really makes. That's really inspiring, passionate lives. That's part of our. That's who we are. So that's another week of talking talk. We're going to probably play a. [02:18:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [02:18:36] Speaker B: I think that's it for the week. Thanks everybody for listening. Don't forget to have a look at our Facebook page. Talking Talk like. And follow. [02:18:47] Speaker B: For more updated reels on Lake Perkalilli and our. [02:18:54] Speaker B: Guests that come on. Thanks, Rob. Thanks, everybody. Have a great weekend. Have a great week. Stay safe. [02:19:02] Speaker A: The best music from the 60s to today. [02:19:07] Speaker C: IPL radio.