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[00:00:01] Speaker A: The best music from the 60s to today. IPL radio. Good afternoon, everybody. Welcome to Talking Talk. Darren Chanter, another Sunday afternoon broadcast. Hope you're all working on your cars. The weather's good and bright and clear and no rain, so it's fantastic. Now today's broadcast, we've got a really special guest today. We've got Mr. Nigel Quick talking about the Lake Percolilli movie that they made the last, the last period of Lake Perkalilli. And this would be the third EP, third program on Lake Perkalilli. So we've got Mr. Nigel Quick. Nigel's at a birthday party for Bill lee. It's his 76th birthday. He's a Lake Perkalilli legend. So. Hey, Nigel, how are you today, mate? [00:00:55] Speaker B: Fantastic, thank you, Darren. [00:00:56] Speaker C: I'm looking out the window at 500 yachts. [00:01:00] Speaker C: Nothing better than a sailing club. [00:01:02] Speaker A: Yeah, fantastic. That's, that's, that's brilliant. Nigel, the fascination, how did you get to know about Lake Percolilli and what was the fascination about it? [00:01:16] Speaker C: Well, it's literally 30, 30 kilometers from my house. [00:01:19] Speaker A: Yep. [00:01:20] Speaker C: So it was pretty, pretty famous as growing up in Kalgoorlie, of course. And then when I heard about the events that were going on there, they were quite small at the start. It was only a few people. And then, and then we ended up at the 2019 one where we did a, we did a little short bit for Desert collectors. Of course. Yes, was on the program, the little half an hour story that we did. And then in 2022 we did the full documentary for it. So just a wonderful, wonderful. It's world class. [00:01:51] Speaker A: Oh, it is, it is, it is. So. [00:01:56] Speaker A: Desert Collectors. Tell us a bit about the desert collectors and yourself to the, the viewers that don't know. I'm sure everybody in WA knows, but we've got some, you know, listeners at east and overseas. Tell us about yourself and desert Collectors. [00:02:12] Speaker C: I'm sort of born and bred in Kalgoorlie, you could say. I got there when I was about nine months old. So always been in Kalgoorlie Bulldo. And I've always been in the collectible business, you know, selling collectibles as it was, and then into the antique side of things and got to meet some, some fantastic people in that business, you could say, I suppose. And the collectors. And I saw one of these amazing collections one day I thought, this has to be on television. So that was Jeffrey, my old mate. So we decided we would give it a go and very naive, of course, and jumped in and Lucky enough, Foxtel spotted us and off we. And three seasons and two documentaries later we've got a TV series. So that's how it all started. [00:02:57] Speaker A: That's fantastic. I know looking at it and being an avid collector myself of all different sorts of things, whether it be oil, petrol, petal cars, antique vases, sort of the eclectic of the eclectics. [00:03:14] Speaker A: It. And seeing. [00:03:18] Speaker A: Seeing what you've done out here and, and watching the shows and then looking at the Facebook page and joining in on some auctions, I mean it's, it's a fantastic, it's a fantastic thing to do. I mean, you know, you know like listing and, and watching it on, on Facebook, on the Desert Collectors website. Live auctions. [00:03:42] Speaker A: How did that all come about now? [00:03:44] Speaker C: Because we've been in business, we've had this business for 20 odd years. So you've always got to evolve as you do in business. And involving meant that we jumped on and started doing our live auctions on a Tuesday night and that, that helped us with our business because we were originally into autograph side of things. We used to do memorabilia and that started to slide and slow down quite a bit. So we thought we'll jump onto another idea and it's worked very, very well. But I love, with Desert Collectors itself, it's always been about the people involved, you know, like in the stories. The collections are fantastic, of course, but I wanted a lot of people to meet these fantastic characters that would probably never be seen and to show the collections that people would never see. And that's how Desert Collectors came about. I wanted people to know and see these people and, and meet them because they're just, they're just wonderful, wonderful people. [00:04:39] Speaker A: They are. It's, it's, it's fantastic. And that's sort of talking talk sort of is very much in the same vein as what you're doing. We talk to everybody who you wouldn't necessarily talk to. You know, we've talked to Ashtra, we've talked to Graham Lockhart about the car and we've seen Graham and you know, you know, we've spent some time with Graham and Graham was in last Sunday and all the collectors that, and all these guys, they've all got a story and I believe that as you do, the stories need to be told because if the stories aren't told we lose a bit of history. And Lake Perkalilli is a piece of not only Western Australian history, but it's the, it's the gold fields, it's the history, it's the history of the gold fields in such. [00:05:31] Speaker C: Well, I'm Darren. I'm. I'm in. Obviously, you know it. The 76th birthday of the wonderful Bill Lee. Right. And a legend in WA and performance vehicles and working with Brocky. I'm in a room right now with 25 guys. That would be the history of motor racing, motor collecting, speedway. There's two speedway Australian champions in this room and none of them are under 70. And if we don't tell their stories, they're going to be lost. They're the best characters I've ever come across. I'm just sitting there just blown away by the stories. It's just extraordinary to meet people like that. [00:06:07] Speaker A: Yeah, it is. And I was talking to Graham and Graham said, oh man, I've got, I'm going to this party and I won't be able to come on but. And then. Yes. Have you spoken to Nigel yet? I said, yeah, I said, Nigel's going to the same party. [00:06:20] Speaker A: He goes, oh, I can't wait. It's going to be all the boys and we're going to be talking about cars and just cars and, and more cars. [00:06:26] Speaker C: It really is. I mean there's, there's collectors in this room that collect from, from 1900 to now. And I mean there's, there's guys with 300 cars, there's guys with 25 Ferraris. There's. It's just extraordinary to talk to people like that that are so successful and they have just, you know, kept it going and talking to two speedway Australian champions sitting in the room, you know, just, just extraordinary. [00:06:47] Speaker A: It doesn't, it doesn't get any better. It doesn't get any better than that, Nigel. [00:06:52] Speaker C: I just sit down and shut up and listen. That's what I do. [00:06:55] Speaker A: Oh, look, I'd be, I'd love to have a tape there and just tape stories. And that's probably one of the things that, you know, we sort of looked at and what. I sort of looked at and there's some people at the past that I raced with and raced against and I was talking to Ron Simmons who was on a few weeks ago and he was saying, mate, oh, you remember this? And Alan Jones and the Billy card and the, and the, and you know, you know, he just beat me in the, in the, in the Baldwin Billy cart race in the 1950s. And he goes, he had this, you know, this whiz bang English machine. I said, yeah, Pathfinder. And Ron said, yeah, do you know? I said, mate, I know the guy who owns it. And he goes, he only beat Me by half a wheel. Darren. Right, mate, that was. That was. And yeah, you don't hear stories like that. You don't get to speak to people like that. [00:07:48] Speaker C: I think the bigger, the biggest thing, Darren, is that if you've got a granddad out there or a grandmother out there that's, you know, getting on in age and it's really worthwhile getting your iPhone out and just sitting down and asking. Tell some stories. Yes, because we're not going to remember them all and they're going to be forgotten. That's pretty important, I reckon, for our, for our grandchildren and our children to, to remember our grandparents. [00:08:11] Speaker A: So true. [00:08:12] Speaker C: It's a really great thing to do. [00:08:14] Speaker A: Nigel, how did the movie come about? How did the. The first. The. How did the movie come about? And. Yeah, tell us how. Yeah, just tell us. [00:08:26] Speaker C: Desert Collectors itself. [00:08:27] Speaker A: The Lake Percolilli movie. [00:08:29] Speaker C: The Lake Percolately one. When I was, when we did the half an hour episode version, I was lucky enough the guys, a couple of guys threw me in their cars. So I got the belt around and I just. When the next one was coming up, I spoke to Graham Cox, of course, and said, is there any chance that I could be involved because we'd love to do the documentary. And he said, of course. So he, he handed me over the Miller Ford, which is just. It's. It's a 1928 Ford race car and the thing flew. It's an absolute. It's just a ripper car, you know, being it was built by miller racing in 1930 and you know, like Chrysler head on it, that's backwards, it's just. And the full suspension and is set up for racing. And you know, I reckon I wasn't game enough, but I were going to do 100 mile an hour, that car, and it just, it just around the track, it just flew and you get, you get it sideways and it'd pull itself back and it was just wonderful to drive. And the old mate Jeffrey got a driving as well. So that was good fun, good stuff. [00:09:29] Speaker A: So you, you made the video, you went. You made the half an hour, then you made the full film? Yes, tell us about the. The full film and how that came about. And. [00:09:40] Speaker C: Well, that was, that's how. That's how it came about. We just literally got involved with Graham and then he said, yeah, come along. So what I do is when we film, I get the younger kids or young guys or ladies to come and film it because they love to learn. So we have a lot of fun and they learn A lot about filming, especially out in the middle of a dust bowl so they learn what things they had to use. We used to put GoPros all over the cars, you know, and then we just went around interviewing everybody and asked them why they were there. [00:10:13] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:13] Speaker C: And why they were having so much fun. You know, that. That's what it all boiled down to. But being able to race a car around the track was pretty good fun as well. Plus, we had a little shop out there, too. Would you believe? We had a little shop that went off as well. So that was. That was good fun. But you can actually get that. The documentary on our. On our webpage at Desert Collectors Australia. You can actually buy the documentary on dvd. [00:10:36] Speaker A: Fantastic. We'll. We'll put a. We'll put a link to the Desert Collectors website on the Talking Talk site. [00:10:45] Speaker C: And all the news, all the new shirts are on there, too. [00:10:48] Speaker A: Oh, awesome. [00:10:49] Speaker C: I've. [00:10:49] Speaker A: I've. Actually, I've. Mine's on its way. [00:10:51] Speaker C: Yeah, they just arrived, so I sent. [00:10:53] Speaker A: Them all out last week, so that's good. So I can't. So I'll have it before we go away. So I'll be wearing it through. Through our European holiday. [00:11:04] Speaker C: Yeah, that's good. [00:11:05] Speaker A: Through Europe. And we'll be doing some fun stuff there. The. The video, the. The film. How long did it take? How. How many hours of footage did you take? How many. You know? [00:11:18] Speaker C: Four days. [00:11:19] Speaker A: Four days. [00:11:19] Speaker C: Four days of footage. [00:11:20] Speaker A: Yep. [00:11:20] Speaker C: Four days of footage. So you're looking at probably 40 hours of footage. [00:11:24] Speaker A: Yes. [00:11:25] Speaker C: It breaks it down into an hour and 25 minutes. And you can imagine just how hard that would be to do. [00:11:32] Speaker C: We had four cameras out there. We had five GoPros on the cars. You know, like, it's. It's a lot of work, especially with the dust. The cameras have got to be cleaned all the time. But the young fellows that we hired, they just had a ball. Brendan and Fletcher, great cameramen. They'd never done stuff like this before until we did Desert Collectors. [00:11:52] Speaker A: Yes. [00:11:52] Speaker C: So they. They filmed a lot of Desert Collectors and they've always got these little ideas, and I let them run with it because I don't know how to film. So they know what they're doing, and I'll just give them some direction and what we want to do, and off we go. But the fun bit is trying to capture all the great moments, you know, like to try and get as many of the cars coming past and speak to as many of the people that you can on the days. You know what I Mean, because there's qualifying, then there's racing, you know, and then you try and speak to the people that are involved in putting it together as well, you know, like it's, it's just the most amazing event. And did you know that Perkali itself, I think, was nominated for a major award worldwide? So Graham Cox will talk about that, I'm sure of it. [00:12:35] Speaker A: Oh, that's awesome. So we'll have Graham. We'll have Graham on, I think, after the event because this is our second last show for the season. [00:12:47] Speaker A: And so tell us about that award. Tell us about. Where is it? [00:12:51] Speaker C: I think somebody knows more about it. I think it was. It's. It was vintage racing. It's a vintage racing award. So he would know more about it, but he had to go to London to accept, you know, to the nomination and everything. So it's pretty full on. So that's how recognized it is around the world. You know, people come from all over the world to see it. You know, on some of the days out there, there's probably about 20,000 people. So it's quite an amazing event. And I'll tell you what, if you, if you're keen on it, you can camp, you can bring your caravan, you can hire caravans. They've got showers, they've got a massive bar, lots of food. It's just. And it's a brilliant, brilliant day or week. [00:13:28] Speaker A: Yeah, it is. It is. Like we had Ash Astro on the president of Variety and he talked about the logistics of, you know, there's five water tankers a day, there's the pa. We're moving the whole town from the town out and it's. It's its own town now. Like Pukali's got its own. Its own. Probably have the same postcode. And, you know, he was talking about the, the logistics of everything and, you know, you. They're actually taking everything out there and they've got a. [00:14:07] Speaker A: The Elon Musk Sky. Yeah, yeah, that's. That's coming out. Because apparently they had the, the Telstra. [00:14:18] Speaker A: And It was like $40,000, which is astronomical. I mean. Yeah, we need. [00:14:23] Speaker C: Yeah, Starlink this year, I think it is. [00:14:25] Speaker A: Yeah, that's right. The Starlink. Yeah, the Starlink, yeah. So that's coming out. So that's, that's another fantastic. In the fantastic innovation as, As I suppose as the years go on, the innovations. [00:14:40] Speaker A: It makes it easier for everybody. [00:14:43] Speaker C: So the one, the one thing about the event, though, you don't want to take it away from the original. You know, the beginnings of it where it was just a bunch of blokes battling around in a circle in the dust. And, you know, it's. It's a racetrack. It's. It's one. It's. I think it's literally the only racetrack still being used in its original format in the world. So when you consider how. How old it is and how brilliant it is, you just. You've got to keep that feel. You've got to keep that. You know, everybody's filthy, dirty, covered in red dust. They love wearing white overalls, would you believe, in white T shirts? [00:15:15] Speaker B: Because they get red. [00:15:18] Speaker C: Yeah. And the characters are just incredible to be around, you know, like, you've got guys that are constantly just working on their cars, they're working on their bikes, and then they go off and help someone else fix their car and fix their bike and. And the camaraderie. And I think a lot of them just go out there to work on other people's bikes and cars, you know, I think is. [00:15:36] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely, because you've got. [00:15:37] Speaker C: There's a bit of downtime, but you. You get to. To belt around the track 4.4times in a day, you know, and you just. [00:15:44] Speaker B: Have a lot of fun. [00:15:44] Speaker C: You really, really have a lot of fun. [00:15:47] Speaker A: Oh, it's fantastic. I mean, you know, we had Graham Lockhart on and he. He, like you said to me, he goes, mate, it's my happy place. And I said, yeah, mate, I said, I get it. I said, even when you're. You're at a hill climb or whatever, and you know, you're by yourself, you're in the car, lights go green and you take that last breath and you're by yourself and. And. And that's it. You don't see anybody but the track and you get to the finish line and that's it. And it's like. [00:16:19] Speaker A: The. I don't know, the. The. The best word to describe. It's like you're at peace. [00:16:24] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. I've been there in a car like that, and Graham's a genius. He is an absolute genius to build these T models. He is a genius. You've got to see the cars that he builds. It's extraordinary. [00:16:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:36] Speaker C: And a ripper bloke. [00:16:37] Speaker A: He's fantastic. I was. I was lucky enough to go out there a couple of weeks ago. Graham doesn't live far from me, as we. We both found out. And, you know, these guys have built cars from parts they. [00:16:53] Speaker C: Yeah. Oh, yeah, He's. He would have built it from a basket case. When you see it yeah, well, you've seen it. You've seen how brilliant it is. Yeah, he's, he's, he's extraordinary what he does with the car and he builds them for lots of people. So he's just. Yeah. And have a T model ford to do 126km an hour with the original motor in it. You can just imagine how good he is. [00:17:15] Speaker A: Oh yeah. I mean he, he, the last one he bought, he sold to you and then. [00:17:22] Speaker C: Yeah, I couldn't fit in it. [00:17:24] Speaker A: Oh, you couldn't fit in it. [00:17:26] Speaker C: No, I had major hassles trying to. Because. Because of the little levy. I got to pull down. Obviously with a T model. It's all foot pedals. [00:17:32] Speaker A: Yes. [00:17:32] Speaker C: And I had to reach through the steering wheel to change the thing. I was just too big for the car. You know, these little fellas like Gram you who fit straight in them. [00:17:40] Speaker A: Tell me about it. I mean I. We're all. Yes. We're not jockeys, but Graham's a bit of a jockey size. So these, these, these guys do exceptionally well with their cars. What were some of the factors in making the film? [00:17:58] Speaker C: I know, I just wanted. I wanted it to be put out there. I just wanted people to see what a wonderful event it was. I wanted to see how organized and well, well put on it was. [00:18:07] Speaker A: Yes. [00:18:07] Speaker C: I wanted to see how much fun people were having. [00:18:11] Speaker C: Especially myself, how much fun I had the event. I just wanted people to realise the goldfields was. We're not just about mining and you know, we have a lot of other different events in the goldfields and we can organise them well. You know, I mean Variety have done an amazing job putting it together with the help of all the boys that are involved with the racing side of it as well. [00:18:31] Speaker A: Yes. [00:18:32] Speaker C: And then you see how good these people bring their cars and bikes to the event from all over Australia. Some of them drive from Sydney. It takes him two weeks. Jono drives his car, his A model open top from Sydney. Takes him two weeks to get to Kalgoorlie and then he. Then he drives home, you know and you know, that's how good these guys are building cars. [00:18:54] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:54] Speaker C: We had a gentleman who drove a one litre. I can't remember the name of it. A one liter 1909 or 1908 from Queensland, can you believe, with wooden axles. And they literally snapped an axle on the way and pulled a chain. Used a chain to pull it up in a tree and replace the axle. So that's what happens. [00:19:19] Speaker A: It's all about the enthusiast. I mean we were talking about the early Falcon Nationals yesterday and we're going to have actually we are going to have the early Falcon Nationals in Western Australia in 2028. The first time that that event has ever happened here in West Australia. And they're talking about driving from out east in a 1964 Falcon. Yeah, 1965 Falcon. They're talking about driving along the Nullar ball. I know Mr. John Longworth out of Newcastle is super keen to drive his black XM Falcon station wagon. Why not From Newcastle to Perth. Yeah, I'll do it too. [00:19:59] Speaker C: Gosh, that'd be brilliant. What year do they go up to in the Falcon nationals? What year? [00:20:03] Speaker A: So 1960-66 Nigel. [00:20:07] Speaker C: Yeah. Beautiful. [00:20:08] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:20:09] Speaker C: XP two door myself. Yeah, I used to. I love them. Yeah, I've been so lucky mate. You would have seen the series but the cars that I've been able to drive and people just let me drive car like Mustangs and that beautiful GDHO that I got to drive with Greggs and I've driven Cadillacs. I've driven you know like a Gemini built by you know, Bill Lee and, and Peter Brock. Y just stuff like that. I've been very, very lucky with doing the series apart from the people. I've just got to drive some amazing cars and see some, some incredible collections. [00:20:41] Speaker A: Yeah, it's, it's, it's great. And mate, next time you're in, you're in Rocco. We'll pull the old girl out and you can have a buzz. You can have a fang in the old girl. [00:20:50] Speaker C: Yeah, I'd love that. [00:20:53] Speaker C: Is it all right? I'm gonna have to nick off make. I think Bill's leaving so I've got to go and say see ya. [00:20:57] Speaker A: No worries mate. Thank you very much for your time Nigel. That's Nigel Quick from Des Directors Lake Percolilli legend. His film was at Leedoville and Thanks mate. Have a great day. [00:21:08] Speaker C: Yeah, good on you Dan. I really appreciate it. Thank you. [00:21:10] Speaker A: Thank you mate. [00:21:11] Speaker C: Have fun. [00:21:12] Speaker A: Bye bye bye. The best music from the 60s to today. IPL radio. Well everybody, that was some great hard rock and music for this sports sedan. Guys they're coming on at first 4:30. 4:30 Perth time. 6:30 Eastern Standard Time. So we got some hard rock and hard playing hard charging cars from the Australian sports sedan group, you historics coming up at 4:30 as discussed. That was an awesome little interview with Nigel Quick. We love to have him on again to talk about desert collectors like Percolilli. There's so many things that we could talk about for. For so long. [00:21:59] Speaker A: The, the. The Desert Collectors. [00:22:05] Speaker A: Website, the Facebook page. They. Nigel's got plenty of video, plenty of DVDs on the lake Percolately event. There's T shirts there for this year. So that was another fantastic thing and he was at Graham, Graham's birthday today. Graham Lee. So that was fantastic to take the time to have a quick chat to us. We would have loved to have speak hours with Nigel. So that's fantastic. That interview will be on the IPL radio website, Darren Chanter Talking Talk in the next week so we can share that with all the people who missed out or want to listen again. So that was fantastic. It's been a great day in Perth today. This weekend the weather's been really good. [00:22:59] Speaker A: There was a fantastic turnout last night. Northern Steel at Bunnings Joondalup. Some great photography by our friend, our great friend, Scary Scooby. So watch out for Scary Scooby. Get onto the Scary Scooby Facebook page. Have a look at all the awesome pictures from. [00:23:19] Speaker A: Northern Steel Bunnings Jr. Lap last night. It was another fantastic event. The XK to XP Falcons. The WA will be going out there in November for a run. Also hot dopping hot dogs at Jay Lee's. That was another Sunday morning, one of the first Sunday mornings where it's. The weather's been really good in Perth at the moment. So this weekend the cars have been out and about. [00:23:52] Speaker A: That was a fantastic turnout this morning. Well done to everybody that turned out their hot rods and Aussie Classics and, and things like that. So that was another event. [00:24:04] Speaker A: On. So it's two events on, there's many more, but these are just the two events that we see that we go to, that we support and we love to support our, our friends in the car clubs because that's owning a car. You spend money, you got a car, you spend money, you spend money locally, you. Yeah, it's, it's very, very good. It's very, very good for the community and very, very good for yourselves and your mental health. Last weekend, talking a little bit of motorsport. Shane Van Gisbergen wins again at. [00:24:41] Speaker A: In America. Another fantastic victory. Another road course victory. So he's won four this year. Fantastic. Last night he was in, in an oval in Richmond. Did extremely well. Placed 14th. Another great effort from Shane Van Gisberg and we'll have to have a chat to. [00:25:03] Speaker A: Our good friend and motorsport correspondent Corey Horta. Yes, nascar, it's all about SVG at the moment. They're really, they're really Hitting him hard. And they're really, you know, there's been a lot of conjecture. [00:25:22] Speaker A: About him and he's driving and the ring in status and, and one of the major things that we need to, that you need to look at and need to remember is that he's in a team now that is consistently. [00:25:40] Speaker A: He'S driving every week for the same team. The same bunch of guys are in the pits, the same people are calling the pit stops, the same spotters and everything. And you've got to remember last year the car was prepared by Track House but run by Corleague and it wasn't a full program. So, you know, he's getting to that consistency as a driver with the same guys around you. And, and it does help, it does help having the same guys around you calling the shots on the pick, on the pick garages. [00:26:19] Speaker A: On the track, the tire changes, the refuelers. And it does help and it makes it more consistent, it makes the driver more confident. And, and yeah, you've got all these NASCAR guys going, oh man, he's 14 seconds quicker. He's 15 seconds quicker. You know, Watkins Glen is probably one of the oldest road courses that the Americans at NASCAR have been to since the 60s. Remember Walton Wattens Glen was also where the, the American F1 GP was for many, many years. Can Am, can American was also there at Watkins Glen. So what, Watkins Glenn's in New York and it's probably one of the oldest road courses in America other than you got Sebring and obviously places like that. But Watkins Glenn is a very historic. [00:27:21] Speaker A: Track. Know you had Marcus Ambrose drive there, but Marcus is a, is a great driver. Was a great driver. The only problem with Marcus was that he never had the consistency of car. He never had the quality of team or car under him, even though he drove for some, some great teams, so some fantastic teams, they never had the consistency of the car. And he wasn't doing a, a full season. He was only doing certain, certain tracks, certain races. And, and with that you don't have the consistency like Shane Van Gisbergen's getting these days. He's got this, you know, I mean, he's just got the same people week in week out on the car. [00:28:15] Speaker A: Yeah, Marcus Ambrose, you know, top road racer, went to America, did everything that he could do, but he didn't have the quality of car under him. Shane Van Ginsbergen has got the quality of car under him and. [00:28:32] Speaker A: It'S proving that, you know, Justin Marks at Trackhouse, they, they got the ringer they needed to win some events for the. [00:28:44] Speaker A: NASCAR season and how they run their season and how they end their season. So you know, he, they took the, they took the gamble of running SVG for the year. They've now extended his contract and. [00:29:03] Speaker A: He'S doing a phenomenal job. He, you know, there's nobody better than him. I see reports that young Thomas Randall's been in America watching some nascar. [00:29:18] Speaker A: There's a couple of other Australian drivers there at the moment having a look. Unless you, unless you get a deal like SVG and you're there with the team and you're embedded with the team and the team knows you and you know the. You've got confidence and they've got confidence in you. That's the only way to do it. You can't just half ass it. You can't just go there and do a race here and a race there. And that's great, you know, for Will Brown and Jack Perkins has done that. But they haven't had this success, you know, I suppose. [00:29:53] Speaker A: You know, you need to, you need to be with a team for a year to have that success. And they're all quality drivers. [00:30:03] Speaker A: So we're looking forward to the playoffs in America. [00:30:09] Speaker A: Coming up soon. So yeah, we've got. [00:30:14] Speaker A: Mark Sully from the Australian historic sports sedans that come is coming on at another half hour or so which should be great and it's great to have Mark on again. Mark is Mr. Car Radio's fix. So he was on a few weeks ago, but this week we'll be talking about. [00:30:35] Speaker A: Historic group use sports teams which is great. And. [00:30:40] Speaker A: Some of the things that are coming up, you know, especially in America. One of the questions is coming up is Ken Scotty McLaughlin could he give SVG a run for his money in NASCAR? Open to conjecture. I suppose. They're two very, very fast young guys or middle aged guys? Middle. Middle of the road guys now with outstanding performance, outstanding talent. It's unfortunate that Penske hasn't given Scotty Macca a car to, to compete well in IndyCar this year. There's some. Scotty said so much bad luck. So that's one of the things that, that we'd all like to maybe see. [00:31:30] Speaker A: And yeah it's, it's going to be an interesting playoffs time and we're gonna play some more music there for the, for the group, you Historic sports then guys, the best music from the 60s to today, IPL radio. So we'll play some great Aussie tracks, AC DC Skyhooks, you know, some, some great music to Cruise around to today some fine weather. So whether you. Where are the. Wherever you are cruising in your hot rod. Aussie Aussie muscle, Australian classic, American classic. Have a great time, stay safe and keep the tunes coming. Also we've. We've sent out a request for anybody that wants a song. We'll dedicate songs this afternoon to everybody and anybody around the world. So we've put it on the Talking Talk Facebook page like and follow. We've got a. A post there. So in saying all of that, we've got to thank the. The. [00:32:43] Speaker A: Lake Percolilli red Dust Revival 2025. [00:32:51] Speaker A: Ash Ashtrau Graham and, and Nigel and Graham Lockhart and. And everybody who's come on the past three weeks to talk. [00:33:09] Speaker A: To talk with us about the red Dust Revival 2025, which will be in a few more weeks in September. Hopefully we'll get Graham on the phone again from Lake Perkalilli and we'll talk about the event while they're there and how's it going and the crowds and the atmosphere will be electric. If you can get out there to Kalgoorlie. Yeah, it's. It's a fair, it's a fair hike. It's also during school holidays this year if you can get out there Eventbrite. There's tickets on Eventbrite. They're putting in a. An enormous effort to host the Lake Perkalilli races this year and everybody will be so happy and they'll introduce you to their cars and you can go up to them and ask questions. And everybody's in the classic white overalls and the classic white overall stems from a day of. [00:34:22] Speaker A: Days gone past where engineers. [00:34:27] Speaker A: And especially. [00:34:30] Speaker A: Engineers and trains wore white overalls. A lot of the, the older guys will remember trains with diesel and trains with coal and, and steam trains and locomotives. And you know, we're talking about the era between. [00:34:46] Speaker A: 1900 and World War II. So we're talking about 38 years of innovation and the white overalls were, were a mark of respect and people. [00:35:02] Speaker A: Who, who engineered all sorts of different things worldwide overalls and you know, like Perkalilli, it's red dust. So the white overalls don't stay white for too long and everything gets covered in the red dust. And that's part of the mystique of the Lake Perkalilli event. And yeah, we've been lucky to have, you know, we've been very lucky on talking talk to be able to, to have a chat to everybody to, to talk to them, to see their cars, to, you know, all the background, all the background knowledge, all the, all the planning from Variety. [00:35:48] Speaker A: It'S just been a fantastic thing to be part of. And as I said previously, talking talk, we've only been on the air since June, July. So next week we would have been on the. On the air for three months. And that's 12 shows. [00:36:11] Speaker A: And I've got to thank everybody that we've asked. They've come on, they've taken the time out and they've made, they've made it their own. It's just been a phenomenal. [00:36:25] Speaker A: Thing sort of to happen. I'm blown away from it. I'm just blown away with it. Everybody who I ask, yeah, they want to come on, they want to have a chat, they want to tell their story. And that's what Nigel was saying and, you know, with his desert collectors, it was about taking. [00:36:45] Speaker A: Listing and giving people that you don't hear normally tell their story. And they're the most interesting stories that you can. [00:36:56] Speaker A: Ever come around to and in here. And, you know, we're, you know, I'm just blown away with the amount of people that we've had on. Yeah, we've been, we've been averaging two guests a show, so that's 24 guests plus we've had guests in the studio. [00:37:16] Speaker A: And it's just been phenomenal. And I've got to thank IPL Radio, Tristan Reddick and the team. [00:37:25] Speaker A: My switches who, who come voluntary volunteers. Everybody's a volunteer that works at IPL Radio. They come in here, they sit behind the booth, they do the switching for the, for the day. They record the shows like this. Shows being recorded, you know. Rob G. Thanks, mate. Tristan was in earlier this afternoon. Young Caden, who's, who's come in so many times to help. I cannot thank you guys enough for helping me put together this show behind the scenes, especially the technical, the technicality of it all, because it's a little bit beyond me. But, you know, I'm the sort of the jam that, you know, holds everything together and, and people listen. And yeah, we've got listeners all, all around the world, all around Australia listening to talking talk. So we cannot thank everybody, anybody enough for the time and the effort. And next week will be a bumper show. We'll have the west. The prison of the Western Australian Historic Touring Car Association Officer Donovitz. They're racing this weekend at Collie. So Don's got the big, the big Galaxy. And those guys are having an awesome, an awesome round at Collie Motorsports park down south in Western Australia. So that's that was. That's going to be a really good show because it actually the. The Western Australian historic touring car guys are actually on the card of the V8 supercars now. How how did that happen? So got Don's going to explain all of that next weekend. He's going to explain the cars, he's going to explain the the rules, what they like to build the club itself and the club's got a Facebook page. So it's a West Australian Historic Touring cars. [00:39:35] Speaker A: So he's coming on next weekend. Rebecca Jocelyn's coming on next weekend also to talk about travel and talking tools. A little bit of a bugbear with Rebecca. So talking tools is. Is taking off slowly but it's got, it's very very funny. Very very funny lady is Rebecca Jocelyn. And we're gonna play some more mew. We've got some, we've got some listeners send in their requests. So we've got for our good friend El Toro down in eastern Victoria and we've got. He's. He's requested hey little Cobra by the rip cords. Here we go. The best music from the 60s to today IPL radio. Well we've got some great, we've had some great music, some great ac Akadaka rip chords for our good friend El Toro down at Southeast and Victoria. And on the line on the line with our we have our great friend Mark Sully from Old radios fixed. But we're not talking about old radios today. We're talking about the fire breathing group, you historic sports sedans. Mr. Mark Sully. How are you my friend today? [00:40:58] Speaker B: Hey Karen and listeners. Yeah, very good and it is old car radios fixed. But this is my other hat is historic sports and Hands of Australia which is, which is a very good fire breathing category. [00:41:08] Speaker A: They are fire breathers aren't they? Mark, tell us about the historic sports andines. [00:41:14] Speaker B: Well back in 2007 so she's a bloody Frank. Bloody forgotten his name now. [00:41:23] Speaker B: He got got put together with cams. [00:41:26] Speaker A: Yeah. The gentleman from Queensland. [00:41:28] Speaker B: Gentleman from Queensland whose name escapes me for a minute. That's okay, I'll remember it in the tech. But yeah he's he got put put it together and sort of no one took it up. [00:41:38] Speaker A: Yes. [00:41:39] Speaker B: And then all of a sudden it. [00:41:44] Speaker B: 2010, 2015. Mark Stockwell from Queensland and Simon's Fitzer from South Australia. Yes and they've got it up to where it is now and it's. And it's still growing more and more and more. It's growing really well. [00:42:00] Speaker A: Yeah, that's Fantastic. That would be Fred Sayers. [00:42:03] Speaker B: Yeah, Fred Size. Yes, thank you, Fred Size. [00:42:05] Speaker A: Mr. Fred Sayers. He's not doing. He's not, he's not well at the moment. So all our, all our thoughts to Fred. So historic sports scene. So where did the category first start? I suppose we're talking about the 70s. [00:42:23] Speaker B: Back in 70s they had, well, what cars we're running now, 70s and 80s. So our cutoff date, any car that is lock cams, logbook and competition logbook prior to 31st of December 1985. So really any car prior to that. Now some of our older cars are late 60s like you see your sim car abode. [00:42:47] Speaker A: Yes. [00:42:47] Speaker B: Austin's a 30. So it started well in the, well. [00:42:50] Speaker A: In the 60s I suppose they were. There are classes like it. Hume we, Calder, the old Calder Park, Catalina Park. They're all just, they're all clubbies I suppose. [00:43:08] Speaker B: I can't think of the raceway up in Sydney which is now mru, Oren Park, Oran Park. [00:43:15] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:15] Speaker A: Warwick Farm. [00:43:16] Speaker B: Warwick Farm's the one. I'm thinking of Malala. Malala still up and running later version Adelaide and surface paradise. [00:43:25] Speaker A: Lakeside like. [00:43:28] Speaker B: Yeah, Lakeside's another one. Lakeside's still going but in a lot quieter. [00:43:31] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a lot quieter activities now. [00:43:33] Speaker B: Yeah, they've got a few, few interesting residential issues. [00:43:38] Speaker A: Yes. When you build a house next to a racetrack and the racetrack's been there for 50, 60, 70 years and you complain that it's noisy, don't live near there, don't complain because the racetrack was there before you and I suppose that's, you know, we're having those problems with sand down, you know, we're having the problems, we're going to have problems with colder. But Cola's always been there and they build all these houses. [00:44:01] Speaker B: Yeah, well, cold certainly that's had a resurgence lately. [00:44:05] Speaker A: Yes. [00:44:06] Speaker B: Now Bob's, Bob's or Bob's tires have been settled so Kim, Kim nephew Kim and son Rodney have sort of taken it over and they're certainly spending some dollars on it. [00:44:17] Speaker A: They are. And it's all hats off to Rod and Kim and Rowan Harmon is there, manager and I mean Rowan's been around for, for many years racing too. So historic sports sedans, what are we looking at? We're looking at hot. We're looking at obviously anything that was. It's oddball. Is it front engine, rear engined, front. [00:44:44] Speaker B: Engine, rear engine, mid engine. [00:44:48] Speaker B: We're looking at Mark 1 escorts with mid engine, 302 wingers in it. [00:44:53] Speaker A: Yes. [00:44:54] Speaker B: There's a Resurgence of the Mini with the Holden six cylinder backwards set up in it. That's, that's getting rebuilt apparently. Now that could be a replica we think. Yes, we're not sure on that. There's mid mounted six cylinder Holden, there's a Ford Anglia that had a Holden 6 in it. Now it's got a pre cross flow Falcon six in it. [00:45:16] Speaker A: Yes. [00:45:17] Speaker B: LCLJ Tiranas with, with Holden VH Chev VH in them, six cylinder turbos in them. [00:45:23] Speaker A: There's a few humpies out there too. So. [00:45:25] Speaker B: Yeah, Humpies with mid mounted six cylinders in them and there's a one with a six liter Chev in it which is mid mounted. What else we got? We got the original HDT Rallycross car which had the soup. It's got the supercharger poking out the bonnet. [00:45:44] Speaker A: Is that Saggy Sally? Sorry, is it called Saggy Sally? [00:45:49] Speaker B: Saggy Sarah? Yeah. [00:45:52] Speaker B: Yeah. So one of our guys run that. Doesn't, doesn't come out of South Australia much but he certainly runs it at Mellow and he gives it a good go. Yes, there's a story with that, with one of the photographers went for a drive at Colling Grove Hill climb and the calling and the photographer set on the floor above the exhaust and burnt his backside. [00:46:13] Speaker A: It would get rather, rather hot. Yeah, with. [00:46:17] Speaker B: No, we got, we got a. The Chrysler Charger. No, sorry, Valiant Charger Clem Smith with the 340 NASCAR motor in it. V8. [00:46:27] Speaker A: Yeah and Clem Smith, I mean for, for listeners who don't know or can't remember or. Clem Smith was actually a car dealer in South Australia. [00:46:39] Speaker B: Also owned Malala racetrack and he bought. [00:46:42] Speaker A: Malala and for many, many years Clem kept Malala alive. And Clem, Clem unfortunately passed away a few years ago and his Charger was bought and his Charger was restored and the Charger is a regular car at Group U historic John McCormack events all around Australia. So that's. [00:47:10] Speaker B: Yeah, pretty much so that's. Well, the Charger may be seen at our next round in Morgan park in Queensland the 17th of the 19th of October. Yes, we're not, we're not sure on that. The, the other oddball car we got is the. A Buick 3 1/2 liter V8 Hillman Imp. [00:47:31] Speaker A: Yeah, these cars, I remember reading and watching some YouTube. These, some of these cars came out of New South Wales. The, the ardc which is the Australian Race Drivers Club. [00:47:46] Speaker A: Ran both Orin park and Amaru park and also Bathurst too. But mainly at club events. They used to Used to be televised on Channel 7 and Channel 9 and on the ABC Warwick farm and yeah these guys had like Division 1 cars which were state of the art fast cars. Then they had division two and then they had division three and there was a, there was a sports sedan, six cylinder class. [00:48:19] Speaker A: Ron Harrop had probably what would be arguably be one of the fastest eh Holden. Eh holdens with a six and then the. [00:48:29] Speaker B: He had it with the V8. [00:48:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:48:32] Speaker B: Wayne mannequin put the turbo six in it. [00:48:34] Speaker A: Yeah, turbo six and Bob Jane. [00:48:39] Speaker B: Well we're all being told it's getting restored but it's apparently it's well hidden. [00:48:45] Speaker A: There's a lot of these cars that are, there's a lot of these cars that are, are well hidden and you know we hope one day that they see the light of day. [00:48:57] Speaker A: But they had a Holden 6 and it had a Repco hold and Formula 5000 engine in it and then that. [00:49:06] Speaker B: Was in the ah. [00:49:07] Speaker A: Eh. And then obviously Wayne Macon put the turbo six in it. So a very well known car that ran in the day like Calder park had a. [00:49:20] Speaker A: Had a series Marlboro sports sedan, same as Warwick Farm, $100,000 prize money. You know gone are the days of cigarette advertising but Marlboro and those sort of companies put their money with their mouth. Is the Rothman series. [00:49:37] Speaker A: Toby Lee serious. [00:49:38] Speaker B: In New South Wales? [00:49:39] Speaker A: Yeah, Toby Lee series. [00:49:41] Speaker B: There was a series in Western Australia that, that Dick Ward with his foot. Fiat arbath with his 12A rotary in it which he still has and it still runs in group you. [00:49:52] Speaker A: Yes. [00:49:53] Speaker B: That won quite a lot of them. [00:49:55] Speaker A: So, so we're talking about some really, really good machinery. And you know these weren't engineers that built these cars, these were backyarders. These were guys in their garages. You know they'd buy this and buy that and they put it together similar to the Lake Per Lily things that we've been talking the past three weeks. But you know, sports sedans bring what you got, race what you got, you know, whatever configuration. [00:50:22] Speaker B: Stick a big engine in it, stick some big tires on it and go racing. That was the motto back in those days. Yeah. [00:50:29] Speaker A: Stick some wings on it, stick sticking. [00:50:32] Speaker B: Stick a roll cage which was alloy. [00:50:35] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:35] Speaker B: In it and go and go and enjoy yourself. [00:50:38] Speaker A: Some of them were very agricultural but then we've got the, the monsters of the 70s. The monsters. Let's talk about the monsters. So the monsters would be Emp. Gagan's Monaro. [00:50:54] Speaker B: Monaro. Jim Richards Falcon. [00:50:57] Speaker A: Yes. [00:50:59] Speaker B: What's his name? Alan Moffat. [00:51:01] Speaker A: He had The Monza he had the Capri ran the Capri Brock started with. [00:51:06] Speaker B: The A30 Holden 6 and then moved to Tirana and then he drove for. [00:51:13] Speaker A: Bob Jane in the Monza a couple of times at. [00:51:16] Speaker B: He drove, drove Bob Jones Monaro once with, with Marlboro backing on it. [00:51:22] Speaker A: Yes. [00:51:24] Speaker B: It'S pretty interesting stuff. We also had what else we got. There's a lot of H's. [00:51:33] Speaker A: Yes. [00:51:33] Speaker B: Too many H's to remember but our. [00:51:36] Speaker A: Good friend the Moe Mauler Ernie Corey. Ernie Corey. Ernie Corey. Are you out there listening today? The Moe Mauler. [00:51:46] Speaker A: Ernie has an ah. [00:51:49] Speaker B: Which and under group use specifications it's got. It's got to have the Buick V6 re reinstated in the car. [00:51:55] Speaker A: Yes. [00:51:56] Speaker B: But he currently runs it with a quad cam Turbo Lexus V8 in it. Yes, the Mowing a serious quick car. [00:52:05] Speaker A: And he's a pretty serious driver too. He owns Ashby Electrical in downtown Mountain. [00:52:15] Speaker B: He also has a. [00:52:18] Speaker B: Or his brother has a HP Toronto with a. With a 186 in it. That's fairly quick. [00:52:23] Speaker A: Yeah, Norm, Norm's. Norm's got the. [00:52:25] Speaker B: Norm Corey. [00:52:26] Speaker A: Yeah, Norm's got the car. He's got, he's got some, he's got some good stuff. I was there one day and you know the guy goes Mate, do you do car electricals? And he just look and he goes no mate, we do houses. He goes what's all these cars? He goes am I? [00:52:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I've seen what's in one of his garages and I just go whoa. [00:52:44] Speaker A: Yeah it's pretty, it's pretty. He's pretty wild. He's a good bloke. He's a good bloke. [00:52:49] Speaker B: Ernie, what else we got? We got. [00:52:54] Speaker B: I'm just going through the list here. We've got a fellow with a Datsun P5 P510. So it's pre. It's a two door dash and 1600. [00:53:03] Speaker A: Yes. [00:53:04] Speaker B: With a mid mount two liter Datsun motor in it. [00:53:08] Speaker A: Yeah some of them. [00:53:10] Speaker B: Yeah they used to be something really weird. A, an Austin A30 with a U Sirius Datsun 2 liter motor in it. There you see that was Barry Bryce car. [00:53:22] Speaker A: Yeah, Barry Bright and yeah those cars they, there was a 2 liter class. There was a, there was a six cylinder class, there was a, there was a 2 liter class, there was a 3, 3 liter class and then there was the big bangers and I'm. I know, I know that Simon Fitzner has, has, has a, A few cars. [00:53:47] Speaker B: A few cars. Yeah he's got a few, he's got a few and he's rebuilt a few. He's built a couple of replicas. [00:53:53] Speaker A: Yes. [00:53:53] Speaker B: So the replica is the Brian Thompson Peter Fowler Formula 5000 Volkswagen Type 3. [00:54:00] Speaker A: Well, that is the, that is the car that started the rear engine using formula 5000 bits. That was A. A McLaren M10B was the donor car for that car. [00:54:13] Speaker B: And the replica is built by the original builder? Yes, Peter Fowler. [00:54:18] Speaker A: Yes. [00:54:19] Speaker B: And it's built to the original specs, including some, some of the old, I think the original bonnets on that car. [00:54:24] Speaker A: Yeah, it was a. It was a story and a half how that car was built and then like how that car was pulled apart and then how that car was sent was chopped up and dumped. Some of the things were kept off the car, the driveline and that went to another car. [00:54:45] Speaker A: But that's the, the Cleveland was it Cleveland tires sponsored that car. [00:54:51] Speaker B: Bob Jane Cleaver ties. [00:54:53] Speaker A: Bobby owned Cleaver tires. I mean that, that is a beautiful car. [00:54:58] Speaker B: Now there's a story behind all that, how they, how Brian got the Cleaver sponsorship. [00:55:04] Speaker A: Yes. So we'll. [00:55:05] Speaker B: That was pretty interesting. That was really. That was really interesting. One thing we do have is, is. [00:55:14] Speaker B: Both of. What's your name? Graham Windcuffs Monzas. [00:55:18] Speaker A: Yes. [00:55:19] Speaker B: Now one's getting restored and one's getting repaired after a minor incident. And at Sandown a couple of years ago. [00:55:26] Speaker A: Yeah, the monsters were. The monsters were fantastic. Graham. Graham was a printer. Graham Wincup, which is Jamie Winkup's uncle. [00:55:37] Speaker B: Uncle. [00:55:38] Speaker A: And he was a printer and he was. He had a print shop in Gilbert Road, Preston. We. I, as a budding sort of racer, wanted to buy a fast car. Dad and I went to go and see Graham at the print shop and the, the first Monza was there. [00:55:58] Speaker A: And we had a good look over it. [00:56:01] Speaker B: And that first Monza is still in Victoria. [00:56:05] Speaker A: Yes. [00:56:06] Speaker B: And the second one's in New South Wales. [00:56:08] Speaker A: Yes. And we, we. I saw many cars in the northern suburbs as we, as we've discussed in the time. Yeah, that was a great. That would have been a great car to have. [00:56:24] Speaker A: There was many cars for sale. Robin Doherty, he had some cars for sale. We saw Robin. Robin, you know, had some fantastic cars. You know, there was, there was a lot of cars for sale. There was a lot because they became obsolete. [00:56:42] Speaker B: Now it's, it's trying to find, trying to find a group you eligible or a group you sports and now is getting harder. [00:56:49] Speaker A: Yes. [00:56:50] Speaker B: And the people who have got them want some serious dollars for them. [00:56:54] Speaker A: Yeah, they're all Cut up. I mean after they were race, after they were raced they became uncompetitive. They, they, they stripped them, dumped them, cut them up. They became speedway cars, stuff like that. The other, the other great car that's. [00:57:13] Speaker B: Is the Mercedes that, that is the running. It's currently running now just with a normally aspirated 6 liter chevron. [00:57:22] Speaker A: That was a monster. That was a monster. [00:57:23] Speaker B: Oh that's still, that's still very quick. And the fellow that's driving it, Simon Spitzer who's drives it, he's no slow fella either. [00:57:32] Speaker A: Yeah, that was, that was another Peter. [00:57:35] Speaker B: Fowler car built car. Second. Second or the third. I think he built the Torpedo, built the LCLJ Toronto first with the Jaguar rear end. [00:57:45] Speaker A: That's right. Yes. [00:57:47] Speaker B: Then he built the Mercedes. They designed the Mercedes and I sorry, they built the Volkswagen next. [00:57:53] Speaker A: Yes. [00:57:54] Speaker B: Then they designed, then they built the Mercedes. [00:57:58] Speaker A: Yes. [00:57:58] Speaker B: And then from there. [00:58:01] Speaker B: Brian brought the. One of the. Someone, I can't think who's Monza then put the Supra Toyota Supra body shell on it. [00:58:09] Speaker A: He bought the Monza. He had a Camaro. So they had many, many cars running and when one car became obsolete they went to another car and, and they weren't, they weren't cars that they kept either which was pretty interesting and you know it was just another pass car. Cut it up. It's not competitive. [00:58:31] Speaker B: Tony Hubbard still has his as his Alex XLH Toronto two door. [00:58:36] Speaker A: Yeah, there's some great cars. [00:58:38] Speaker B: I know Damien and he said he's just restored that. [00:58:41] Speaker A: Damien Johnson's got a Celica. [00:58:43] Speaker B: Yeah, he's got the Ex Doug Clark Holden powered Silica which the sleek is actually your Formula 3 chassis. [00:58:49] Speaker A: Yes. [00:58:50] Speaker B: And then they dropped the body, dropped the Silica body shell on it. [00:58:54] Speaker A: It's a pretty interesting, it's a pretty interesting car. There's another car in Tasmania with The Repco Formula 5000 engine. [00:59:02] Speaker B: I got Mark Trinity's got the ex John McCormick Charger. [00:59:07] Speaker A: Yes. That's another outstanding car. John McCormack and, and that's. And you know to, to paraphrase everything the historic sports sedans have John McCormack as their patron and they call the historic Sports Dance Series the John McCormick. [00:59:27] Speaker B: John McCormick Historic Sports and end Australia series. [00:59:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:30] Speaker B: And which in 2022 and 23 Rod Wood won it in the ex Pharisees mid 202 mid Mount F.J. holden. [00:59:44] Speaker A: Yeah. So there's some, some great and, and it's always. Sports sedans were always about innovation. There was always the Gagans, John shepherd the light. John shepherd built the. [00:59:58] Speaker B: John shepherd built HDT built by. Sorry, Bob. John Shepherd Bob Jane Tirana. John started build rebuilding a replica. Sadly John got a bit sick and he had to pass it back to the owner. [01:00:09] Speaker A: Yes. [01:00:10] Speaker C: And. [01:00:11] Speaker B: And it's still underway, but it's a slow process. [01:00:14] Speaker A: Is that car Frank? [01:00:19] Speaker A: Yes. [01:00:20] Speaker B: Has a formula 5000 V8 LJ Tirana. [01:00:24] Speaker B: He's still got that car he built back in the, back in the 70s. [01:00:27] Speaker A: Yeah. So there's, there's a lot of cars out there. There's. And they, they were more prolific. [01:00:35] Speaker A: Because when a, when a formula car became obsolete, they took the uprights, they took the whoosh phones, they took everything out and then put into a. [01:00:46] Speaker B: Put. Made a sports out of it. [01:00:47] Speaker A: Made a sports out of it. And that's, that's ingenuity in itself. And you know they're talking about all sorts of bits and pieces and all sorts. So no car is actually the same. And then you've got the 80s, then you got the. The Alpha Nelfetta. The Alpha. [01:01:06] Speaker B: Yeah, the Alpha. So the chevalpha, the formula 5000. No, actually I think it's a 6 liter Chev Alpha. He's still in. Chris Clarahan still got that. [01:01:15] Speaker A: Yes. [01:01:16] Speaker B: Talking to Chris a couple of weeks ago at Winton he said, he told me there's a few more things to go on it before they bring it out and we're hoping we will see it at Sydney Motorsport park to the. From the 28th to the 30th of November. [01:01:30] Speaker A: It's a monster. [01:01:33] Speaker B: Hopefully Chris will steer it and it'll be certainly, certainly quick. And the other one, Mark Trenaworth has got both Jaguars. [01:01:43] Speaker A: Yes. [01:01:44] Speaker B: The V12 Power Jaguar and the Chef Power Jaguar. [01:01:49] Speaker A: Told Mark's not, not the best at the moment. [01:01:54] Speaker A: So hopefully that markets. Market's better and well at them to finish off those cars and races those cars. [01:02:01] Speaker B: Yeah, if, if, if he's not well enough to drive it, hopefully you can get out of the track and put someone in it. [01:02:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:08] Speaker B: And just, just do some quiet laps around it. [01:02:11] Speaker A: Yes. There. And so we now we've, we've gone through the, through the 70s and we're in the 80s and you know those cars were, those cars were rippers and then you had obviously you had the, the big Falcon of Jim Richards. Yeah. [01:02:33] Speaker B: In the 80s we got a lot of people built Minis when they win the Mini super miniseries fell over. [01:02:38] Speaker A: Yes. [01:02:39] Speaker B: And they've. We got a lot of Minis. Oh we've got Adam Juice in Queensland's got Two of them. [01:02:45] Speaker A: Yes. [01:02:45] Speaker B: Fred Size has got, you know, his fridge is an original sports then Steve Jarrett in South Australia is one of the most different looking Mini you've ever seen. It's not only chopped, but it's also widened too. [01:02:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:59] Speaker B: And it's certainly quick. Stephen Rook's got ex Ray Malloy Mini. [01:03:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:06] Speaker B: He's. Victoria Lee Ball's got another Mini. They're just Minis and there's more Minis that have put. Stephen Brooke just brought another one. [01:03:16] Speaker B: And it's. It's some big sports again. I'll go back to that holding six cylinder power one where they put the motor in it backwards so retain front wheel drive. The replica that's getting rebuilt because the original one got thrown. [01:03:31] Speaker A: Yeah, there's a lot of. [01:03:33] Speaker A: Yeah. As I said, the, the cars after they became uncompetitive, they, they were either stripped of the good stuff and went to speedway drivers. [01:03:49] Speaker A: Or they got chopped up and sent to the tip because they weren't, you know, they weren't, they weren't loved. [01:03:55] Speaker A: But they would have to be the fastest growing category. [01:04:02] Speaker A: Other than the Group C. Group A. [01:04:05] Speaker B: My, My belief is historic sports and ends are the second fastest growing tin top category in Australia. [01:04:11] Speaker A: Wow. [01:04:12] Speaker B: Behind. Behind Group A. Group C, well, that's. And we're talking genuine cars like a group in car. Anyone can build a go and buy a Mustang or a Toronto or an Ah and go and build a group end car with. Without any historic significant. Yeah, the Group. Group U, Group A, Group C have got to be the real McCoy. [01:04:33] Speaker A: Yeah. And. And that's. That's. And that's great. From Cam's Motorsport Australia. I suppose. I mean the cod, if anybody wants to know what a COD is, it's called a certificate of description. [01:04:48] Speaker B: Description. [01:04:49] Speaker A: And the certificate of description, when you buy a car, you have to prove 100% that that that car ran at events, that that car represents the era of time that it is in. So that comes down to engine, gearbox. [01:05:12] Speaker A: Paint work. Obviously the roll cages now are a bit different because they don't allow you to run alloy roll cages. [01:05:20] Speaker B: Well, that's sort of a gray area. [01:05:24] Speaker B: Because. Yeah, that's depending on. Yeah, it's a gray area because the car. Once you put a steel roll cage in a, in a car with an alloy cage and you say, oh, it's the original. Well, it's not. And it goes your, your, your, your cod, your, Your originality. [01:05:43] Speaker A: Yeah, it's difficult. It's a. It's one of the most difficult things to. It's One of the most difficult things to actually to work out, especially with roll cages, I suppose, you know, if it comes under historic review, comes under category five, Category five. There's a lot. There's a lot of things that you can't do in category five, Category five. [01:06:10] Speaker B: But basically I think we're allowed to retain the original alloy cage. [01:06:14] Speaker A: Yep. [01:06:16] Speaker B: But yeah, it's upgrades. Your sensible upgrades, your brake lines. [01:06:21] Speaker A: Yes. [01:06:21] Speaker B: Your fuel hoses, your safety gear, like your harness, fire extinguisher must be in date, naturally. Tires and yes, all that must be in date. But the rest of it sort of as is even delivery. Pick a year. Pick a year of. Of competition. You go, right, I'm at 1980, so the car's got to be in 1980 livery. [01:06:44] Speaker A: Yes. [01:06:46] Speaker B: And the more. More proof you got of that livery, the better. [01:06:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:51] Speaker B: Some of our cars have got only two or three photos of when they raced and that's a hard one to prove. But the guys at Motorsport Australia are being flexible. [01:07:01] Speaker A: Yes. [01:07:02] Speaker B: Saying, well, okay, you know, what have you done to prove that this is the car? Give them all the paperwork you have and they go, okay, we'll accept it. But yeah, they're sensible about it. [01:07:15] Speaker A: Yes. I wish they were more sensible with me when I had. When I was going through my cod as it came down to. You cannot change anything, do anything. But the problem that you've got, Mr. Chanter, is that your car started out as a clubman. It now looks like a Group A sports car. Your logbook says that it's a group A sports car. The photos that you're proving from the original owner have. You've got every photo from when it was built so you can run group O Group N. But I really wanted to run Group Q, which was the historic Group A sports cars of the day. [01:08:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:05] Speaker B: But the cars being a cod, the cars have to be right. [01:08:08] Speaker A: Yes. [01:08:09] Speaker B: For current and any future reference without. If you can't sell like to on forward or present a car. It's really misleading. [01:08:18] Speaker A: True. [01:08:20] Speaker B: Like we. We have. We've got 17 certified group U cars in our category and at the moment, 36 eligible cars. And this is on the registry we have. Yes, but there's a lot more. There's a lot more cars. I am floating around the country. [01:08:38] Speaker A: Is that. Do you think that. Do you think that. [01:08:44] Speaker A: With the amount of cars, do you think that they're all. All period or period correct? Period correct. [01:08:56] Speaker B: Some. How do I word this one? Some would be period correct and so close to being original where others are spot On. [01:09:03] Speaker A: Yes. [01:09:04] Speaker B: Now others are built period. Correct. Let's call it 80 90. Spot on. Maybe for reliability issues like this one car that early in its early days ran a supercharger in the bonnet. But that's no longer because of reliability issues. There's another car that ran turbochargers. That's the turbos are no longer because of reliability issues. [01:09:27] Speaker A: Yes. [01:09:29] Speaker B: Like to run that turbo. That's. Yeah. So. But basically you just pick a set, do something sensible and. And it's acceptable. [01:09:39] Speaker A: Yes. [01:09:40] Speaker B: There's a couple of Monzas. That depends on the body kit. This depends on what year they run. [01:09:46] Speaker A: Yes. We've seen those cars actually for sale in auto action recently and not so recently and. [01:09:58] Speaker A: You know, period. Correct. Whether it be 80s like 85 is. Is there a rolling cutoff date Mark or. [01:10:07] Speaker B: There is a cutoff date. It's 31st of December 1985. [01:10:11] Speaker A: But is it rolling? [01:10:12] Speaker B: The car has to be logbooked. [01:10:15] Speaker A: Yes. [01:10:16] Speaker B: And competition history. [01:10:17] Speaker A: Yes. [01:10:18] Speaker B: Prior to that event. So we apparently. I've only heard this. I cannot prove it. We've had a guy rock up. Oh yes, the car's been log booked but it's never been, never been raced. Now how can we prove what that is? [01:10:33] Speaker A: I've got a. Yeah, I know and I know what you're saying. [01:10:39] Speaker A: I have a car that was logbooked. I did race it. [01:10:45] Speaker A: But there's no logbook entries because I stopped racing it because I was building another car. [01:10:52] Speaker B: Yeah. So that, that in that sense. So what we. What we ask and Motorsport Australia will ask the same thing. Do you have any proof or any copies of race programs where you entered? Yes, any time, any time sheets back those days are all manually written. [01:11:08] Speaker C: That's. [01:11:09] Speaker B: And a couple of, couple of things like VHRR here in Melbourne, ARDC Sydney and I can't think of the Car Club in Western Australia have big libraries of all this. All this information. [01:11:20] Speaker A: Yes. And it's great information. I've got some cutouts of when I ran my XP hard top at hill climbs and it's actually got a 2e to e log book and I was looking at the other day, I think I ran it. So I ran a colder. I ran it everywhere. I've got times and that. But when I was told to logbook it, the season had finished and I'd run, I'd run heaps of events at the Gibson Car Club. [01:11:52] Speaker B: So yeah, in that case we would say to you, okay, your car, okay, let's call it a. Hasn't got a logbook. [01:11:59] Speaker A: Yes. [01:12:00] Speaker B: Or B, you're after our cutoff period. Yeah, but your cast period correct. [01:12:07] Speaker B: And yeah, we'll allow it. We have a car at Winton. [01:12:11] Speaker A: Yes. [01:12:12] Speaker B: I like to tribute NASCAR Chev 57 Chev. [01:12:16] Speaker A: Yes. [01:12:18] Speaker B: Technically it's period correct but it's nowhere near historic sports in it and we allow, we allow him to run with us. [01:12:24] Speaker A: Yeah, it's invited things like. [01:12:27] Speaker B: Yeah, we go back to Ernie's Lexus powered eh. [01:12:31] Speaker A: Yes. [01:12:32] Speaker B: Now the car is not a group you car in its current form. [01:12:36] Speaker A: Yes. [01:12:37] Speaker B: However we welcome the car because it's period correct in years. And there's a guy running a. [01:12:47] Speaker A: A. [01:12:47] Speaker B: Hemi powered LCLJ Tirana. [01:12:51] Speaker B: Now he has no logbook but we allow him. [01:12:54] Speaker A: Yes. [01:12:54] Speaker B: There's a guy coming on board with an Alfa romeo with a 179 Holden motor in it. I've since found out that that car was built like mid late 90s for hill climbs and he wants to run with us in Sydney. We welcome him because the car is period correct. [01:13:09] Speaker A: Yes. [01:13:10] Speaker B: So we, we sort of have three classes, three cars classes in our category in our group. [01:13:15] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:13:16] Speaker B: So we had group, you certified group, you're eligible. And then we have invited and invited could be anything. Period correct. [01:13:24] Speaker A: Yes. [01:13:26] Speaker B: And a couple of the big stick Ward Mazda RX7s that were built for Tommy Suharto. So this is about three or four hours in Australia. We've had two, two of them running with us. [01:13:38] Speaker A: Yeah, I know, I know. X touring car driver Darren Hossack. [01:13:44] Speaker B: Darren's got one of them. [01:13:45] Speaker A: Darren's got one of them. There's another one floating around in Melbourne but Dick Ward out of Perth, he, he built like 10 or 12. [01:13:54] Speaker B: Yeah. But it was contracted by, by Suharto. What was the Indonesian of the Indonesian government? [01:14:00] Speaker A: Yeah, it was the Indonesian Prime Minister. Yeah, the Indonesian Prime Minister. [01:14:05] Speaker B: He said. Yeah, he said build me something off. They went over to Indonesia and they're making, some of them have made their way back here I believe. I can't prove there's money in New Zealand. And the breast, we don't know. [01:14:20] Speaker A: It's funny, you know Tommy Soado, his, his son race Formula Holden too. [01:14:28] Speaker B: There's also a 929Mazda. [01:14:31] Speaker A: Okay. [01:14:32] Speaker B: Now this one is an interesting thing. This car is getting rebuilt. It ran a rotary in it but it's, it's alleged it ran two rotaries, one forward of the firewall and one behind the firewall. [01:14:45] Speaker A: Okay. [01:14:45] Speaker B: So virtually a quad rotor back in when. And apparently it's getting built with only one rotary engine in it. Okay, that's getting restored. That's. That's in Victoria. [01:14:57] Speaker A: Yeah. There's a lot of cars. I mean, even like some of the innovations. Some of the innovations, the McCormick Charger. [01:15:07] Speaker A: Charger, Chrysler Australia on a Saturday morning. [01:15:13] Speaker A: They. They made some aluminum panels, aluminium front panels and. [01:15:18] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:19] Speaker A: And the, the story went that the first. That El Coa provided the aluminium and the aluminum panel, the first ones that they did were absolutely horrendous when they went through the stamping machines and they ended up putting oil, engine oil on the aluminium. [01:15:46] Speaker B: The stopper from. Stop it from crossing. [01:15:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:15:49] Speaker A: In the stamping process and they got that through. And then when on the Monday they started to make some more charger panels, they forgot about the oil on the presses and the, and the panels that were the panels on the Monday, the Tuesday, until they realized on the Wednesday. And the panels were. [01:16:17] Speaker A: When they were painted, the paint was coming off them. [01:16:21] Speaker B: Well oiled. [01:16:22] Speaker A: They were well oil. And that's, that's, that's a story that I got told from Donnabitz from the Historic Western Australian Historic Touring Car association, because he owned the Charger. [01:16:34] Speaker B: I guarantee that those panels wouldn't rust. [01:16:37] Speaker A: They wouldn't rust, but they wouldn't hold paint either. So. Pretty interesting. And yeah, that Charger, you know, it was. Had. Had a. [01:16:47] Speaker A: 2 Formula 5000 and it had 2 Hewland gearboxes in it. [01:16:53] Speaker B: Yeah. One one acted as the diff and the other one acted as a gift as the gearbox. [01:16:57] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:16:57] Speaker A: Which is outstanding. And you know, those, those DG300 or those DG500 or 600 boxes are worth a Mozart today. And then, you know, like, that's probably an interesting thing. And then you've. Then you had. [01:17:17] Speaker A: The. We're just talking about the innovations at the moment. And Jim Richards. [01:17:26] Speaker A: Big M Falcon, that Big M Falcon that had a. And that had a 351. [01:17:36] Speaker A: Boss motor, but the heads were west like heads. West like heads. [01:17:42] Speaker B: And yeah, apparently that car is getting rebuilt and the guy that owns it was. He was, he was mentioning that he's got this, this and that. Now there's another fellow that said those Westlake heads, there's none in Australia. [01:18:00] Speaker B: That's going to be interesting how he's going to get that through. [01:18:03] Speaker A: So. So yeah, that, that, that was a really innovative car in the day. Also. [01:18:10] Speaker B: Lean on the. Don't lean on the roof. [01:18:11] Speaker A: Don't lean on the roof. Don't lean on the car because it's all fiberglass and it's very, very thin. Very thin metal. [01:18:20] Speaker B: Well, Tony Habit Tony Hubbard ended up with that car. [01:18:22] Speaker A: Yes. [01:18:23] Speaker B: And that's the money. Someone clipped him at Winton and he. And he crashed it. [01:18:30] Speaker A: It's very interesting that you say that the, the whistle goes the Gurney Westlake heads, because there's a guy in Geelong. [01:18:39] Speaker A: Very good friend of the program Talking Talk, he bought a set of Gurney Westlake rocker covers on Marketplace not long ago, probably 12 months ago, and the guy claimed that they came from the big M Jim Richards Falcon. And I've seen those Rocket covers, and they are genuine Gurney Westlake rocker covers. [01:19:06] Speaker B: He'd be sitting on a gold mine. [01:19:08] Speaker A: And our good friend El Toro in. [01:19:14] Speaker A: In, in Geelong, outside of Geelong, he, He said, mate, he. Has you ever seen these? I've got. Mate, they're Gurning Westlake. I said, there's not many Gurning Westlake engines that were raced in Australia. The only one that I know of was Jim Richards in the Falcon, Jim Richardson Falcon. So these, these purporting to come from that particular car, which is extraordinary that a guy on Facebook, Marketplace sold a set of rocket covers for 200 bucks. [01:19:46] Speaker A: Because that's all he paid for. That's all he paid for him. [01:19:49] Speaker B: He gave him away. [01:19:50] Speaker A: He gave him away. Didn't know. Didn't realize they were painted, though. He goes, oh, mate, they're off of 351. He goes, yeah, I'll take them. Stripped them. Mike Gurney was like, they're pretty. [01:20:01] Speaker B: But, yeah, the, Some of these, some of these cars are just. Some of them are priceless. [01:20:07] Speaker A: Yes. [01:20:08] Speaker B: And others. But there's one McCormick charger sitting down in the museum in Tasmania at the moment. [01:20:14] Speaker A: Yeah, it said that sitting there. We need these cars on the track. But, you know, the owners, you know, I mean, it's great to see the Group A, Group C cars on the track. It's sad when they have a Bingle or they have a crash because it's part of history, but. [01:20:32] Speaker A: Yeah, they just need to be careful. And, you know, everyone gets the, the, the, the, the eyes on when they're racing and, you know, they, they sort of push it a little bit too far. [01:20:44] Speaker B: And, yeah, the other formula 5000. But the most important one we've sort of missed out on is the Bruce Gowan Toyota Celica in Tasmania. [01:20:52] Speaker A: Yes. That's an awesome car. [01:20:54] Speaker B: That, that, that is the. Actually, Adam, the son, now runs it. [01:21:00] Speaker A: Yes. [01:21:00] Speaker B: And he resides in Queensland. It's cheaper for him to fly down to Tassie, race the car than what it is to put the car on the boat and bring it to the mainland. [01:21:09] Speaker A: Yes. And we've, we've been talking about the, the boat trip. I know you guys did the boat trip to go to Mellow to basketball. [01:21:20] Speaker B: We did that in 2023. [01:21:22] Speaker A: Yep. [01:21:22] Speaker B: And that boat trip was back then, as soon as you mentioned the word trailer on the boat. [01:21:28] Speaker A: Yes. [01:21:29] Speaker B: It's. Get out the tape measure. It's a hundred bucks a meter here, 100 bucks a meter there. [01:21:33] Speaker A: Yes. [01:21:34] Speaker B: And many thousands of dollars later. [01:21:37] Speaker A: Yes. [01:21:38] Speaker B: If you could drive the car on the trailer. It's 150 bucks or something. Something like that. [01:21:45] Speaker A: Yeah. I know the, the guys that are going to the early Falcon Nationals that are being held in October, Adrian Wilson and the guys that were on earlier in the episodes. I think it was about 800 there and back, which was extraordinary. Cheap. [01:22:03] Speaker B: That's, that's what they would have driven their car on the, on the trailer. And then you have some. And this is where the Tassie guys are really good, though. They have someone at the other end to pick you up with a trailer. [01:22:13] Speaker A: Yes. [01:22:14] Speaker B: And the, as I say, the welcoming from the Tassie guys. The camaraderie is unbelievably good. [01:22:24] Speaker A: Yes. Tell us what happened at Baskerville. [01:22:27] Speaker B: Baskerville. [01:22:27] Speaker A: Tell us what happened. Tell us what happened at Baskerville. [01:22:31] Speaker B: Myself, Ernie Corey or Peter. Peter Fowler. [01:22:34] Speaker A: Well, all three of you, because they, they towed the cars on the track. [01:22:38] Speaker B: This is how good the Tassie organizers are. So at Baskerville, they. The organizers pick a category and that year was sports and ants. We were over there and three of us broke cars. We'll get to that in a minute. So the organizers say, okay, what we do, we close the track for a half an hour. We put all the sports sedans on the, on the grid and we open up the gates and let the spectators in. [01:23:05] Speaker A: Yes. [01:23:06] Speaker C: Three of us that broke down from desert. [01:23:09] Speaker B: So the, the guys. Yeah, no worries. We'll tow you out. And they towed us out, put us in our, in our foot. Call it grid position. [01:23:16] Speaker A: Yes. [01:23:16] Speaker B: And this is how good they are. Units, you're up. Okay. We'll come and pick you up when the grid walks. Finished. And that's that. They are brilliant. They are really good. So Ernie Corey broke something in the Lexus powered. Eh. I still don't know what he broke yet. He hasn't done much with that. Ih. I think he's just parked it and concentrating on running the HP Tirana. [01:23:40] Speaker A: Yes. [01:23:41] Speaker B: Peter Fowler had a fuel line split and had a little, just a very small engine fire which with the engine covers on. No one would know. [01:23:50] Speaker A: Yes. [01:23:51] Speaker B: And myself in the race car broke a crank. [01:23:53] Speaker A: Yes. [01:23:54] Speaker B: I hit the bump down the back, straight back wheels come off the ground probably half a millimeter and buzz the engine and that was it. [01:24:01] Speaker A: Yep. [01:24:02] Speaker B: But a 10 year, 10 year old crank. Yep, that was. But other. Otherwise it was a fantastic race meeting. It was really good. As I say, the camaraderie of the Tassie guys, the organizers, co competitors. Not a problem. They are nothing. Nothing is a problem. [01:24:21] Speaker B: That was sort of, that's a bit, bit of a short version of that trip. [01:24:24] Speaker A: Yeah, fantastic. That's you know and, and, and yeah, then we've got the, the other, the cutoff cars, the 85 cars and you like, you've got the, the elfin Alfa Romeo. I mean that was a car, that was a car in its day. That was, that was awesomely quick. I mean that was racing against the monzes of Ella Moffat, of Bob Jane. Peter Brock was driving one of the monsters for Bob Jane. But then you had the GT cars. So you had. [01:25:01] Speaker B: Mercedes was a GT car back then. [01:25:05] Speaker B: Moffat's Monza. [01:25:06] Speaker A: Ella Moffat's Monza. And you had Alan Hamilton entered the Porsches. Yeah, I mean, I mean the Porsches were, were classified as GT sports cars. You know, and the, you know, Alan Hamilton, nobody can underwrite what Alan Hamilton, the late Alan Hamilton did for motorsport in Australia. [01:25:32] Speaker A: You know, obviously his father, they brought Porsche out in the 50s and 60s. [01:25:40] Speaker B: That was after they were on some road somewhere. [01:25:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:25:43] Speaker B: In Australia in an Aussie built car. This thing went past them and they couldn't catch it. Yes, of course it was a Porsche that went past it and they obviously approached Porsche in Europe and said we want to bring those cars to Australia. [01:25:57] Speaker A: Can we be the Australian conception? The Australian concessionaire as they used to call it. The. You owned, you didn't own an agency. He owned the concession. The concession to sell Porsche in Australia. Massive. But then obviously the history of Alan Hamilton, Formula 5000 sports cars, Hill climbs. [01:26:21] Speaker A: Some series production and then obviously he became the patron of Porsche cars Australia. Obviously he had Alan Jones in the car, he had Ella Moffat in the car, he had. [01:26:36] Speaker A: Colin Bond in a car. Remember all these guys, they raced in the 70s together. Ford GTs, Alan Hamilton, Formula 5000s before he had that massive accident that stopped him racing. But, but he was just a legend. [01:26:54] Speaker A: Of motorsport. But you know he's cut his Porsches. The, you know, the Porsche, the Porsche cars team were fantastic. They, they had the, they looked the best. They were the Best. They had the best of everything. [01:27:09] Speaker B: And, and I sort of almost, almost beat everybody. Almost. [01:27:14] Speaker A: They almost beat everybody. [01:27:16] Speaker B: Yeah, there's a few, few races where they didn't. They, I think probably got seconds and thirds or a couple of DNFs. [01:27:22] Speaker A: Yes. [01:27:22] Speaker B: But they were, they were quick and they were running against the Chef Pad Alpha, the. [01:27:29] Speaker B: Volkswagen at one stage, the Bob Jane Formula 5000 Toronto that Frank Gardner got to it and put, put a Chev in it. [01:27:39] Speaker A: And. Yeah, talking about Frank Gardner, the Corvette, the Corvee with. I mean, that's one of the cars that you'll never see because it was, it was pulled apart. But. [01:27:50] Speaker B: And there's a replica. There's a replica getting built. Okay. [01:27:57] Speaker B: But how far it is at the moment? And the guy sort of who's building is retired from motorsport, but he's got other people driving his car. So how far is he retired? [01:28:08] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean that, that Corvette was way, way. Frank Gardner knew how to build a car. He knew everybody in the day. He even wrote a book. You know, he was the man with the terror toweling hat. Turbo BMWs. [01:28:25] Speaker B: That Turbo BMW is in Europe, I believe. It's not in Europe, it's in the usa. [01:28:32] Speaker A: That was a seriously fast car that Alan Grice drove. [01:28:37] Speaker B: Yes, it's either in Europe or usa. I've actually lost track of it. [01:28:41] Speaker A: Yeah, that was a seriously fast car in the day. Anybody. [01:28:47] Speaker A: On YouTube late at night and you want to watch some, some Australian car racing or is it super 100 mile an hour or 100 super. [01:28:57] Speaker B: Yeah, 100. Super 100 mile an hour. [01:28:59] Speaker A: Super 100 mile an hour. [01:29:01] Speaker B: That's when Grice, Grice had very good. He's on very good terms with BMW. [01:29:06] Speaker A: Yeah. And you know, Craven Mild and some of the sponsorship and some of the liveries. [01:29:12] Speaker B: H.J. monara. [01:29:13] Speaker A: Oh, I mean some of those, some of those, some of those historic. Some of those sports sedan races at Amaru, Orem Park, Warwick Farm Surface Paradise Raceway, Lakeside, Sandown, Calder. You don't really hear much about Phillip. [01:29:34] Speaker B: Island, but then you hear Phillip island was, was rum. But it was just so such. The track broke up so much, it was almost unrivable. [01:29:43] Speaker A: So, so, you know, and, and you know, Philip island was owned by Lynn Lukey. Lynn Lukey the, the, the muffler man. Everybody knew Len Luki Melbourne, Luki Mufflers in the day. And then obviously you had the sports. It ends at Malala with, you know that now we get to. So we've spoken about all the cars, all the tracks let's talk about the John McCormack historic sports sedan series. [01:30:18] Speaker B: John McCormick sports and serious. So it's, it's ran over four rounds. [01:30:21] Speaker A: Yes. [01:30:22] Speaker B: So first round is in Malala, which is in April. [01:30:25] Speaker A: Yes. [01:30:27] Speaker B: This year was in the middle of April. The tutor, they normally run an Anzac Day weekend, but due to Anzac Day being. And being on a Saturday, they can't do much on Saturday. So they shifted it forward a couple of weeks and it was that hot. It was. But they had 35, 36 cars, two grids. [01:30:47] Speaker A: Yes. [01:30:48] Speaker B: Over there, as in historic sports and ends and invited. Which ran very well. It was also the, the debut for the replica of the Finch HQ Monaro. [01:30:59] Speaker A: That is a beautiful car. [01:31:01] Speaker B: So that's. [01:31:02] Speaker A: Yeah, that is a. That is, that is. And, and how they put it together. John Oliver and that. And, and that team of, of people, how they put that car together. The, the workmanship. It's period. I mean. [01:31:20] Speaker B: Oh, it's period correct. [01:31:22] Speaker A: It's period correct. [01:31:24] Speaker B: Down to gearboxes, drive shafts. [01:31:30] Speaker B: Everything'S just period correct. And so. Yeah, and yeah, but that was. That round went off really well. And then we had a couple of weeks ago, Winton Festival of Speed. [01:31:42] Speaker A: Yes. [01:31:43] Speaker B: So we started with 20, 22. We started with 25 cars but due to pre event, a couple of cars fell apart in pre event testing. So it was down to 22 cars and 14 cars actually finished the event due to mechanical failure. [01:32:00] Speaker A: Well, that's fantastic because. [01:32:03] Speaker A: And that's. That's run by the VHRR. [01:32:06] Speaker B: Run by VHRR, which is also Internet TV coverage by A1 Media. [01:32:11] Speaker A: Yeah, it was, it was, it was the group A and Group C cars and the cars of yesteryear. And that's sort of, I suppose we had Ron Simmons on the week before and we were talking to Ron and Ron and the VHR are the guys. These guys have been commentating at historic events four years. Four decades. [01:32:38] Speaker B: Exactly. These guys know these cars backwards. [01:32:42] Speaker A: And the unfortunate thing is that the VHRR sword in their wisdom or whoever's running, whoever the committee that's running the event decided that they weren't up to spec and. [01:32:59] Speaker A: They had another group of people talking about the cars. But that, that event is, is the only event that is live streamed by the vhrr, which is pretty interesting because you'd think. Think that Sandown would be live streamed because there is a, there is a, a closed circuit TV. [01:33:25] Speaker B: Network through. [01:33:26] Speaker A: Through Sandown, through Sand down and because they're all in. If you go to the Sandown pits, each Pick Garage has its own TV set and it's actually I've not, I've. [01:33:37] Speaker B: Not seen it in there. [01:33:38] Speaker A: Haven't you seen him in there? [01:33:39] Speaker B: No, no, I've seen the outlets in there but no TVs so we were at a. [01:33:43] Speaker A: His. We were at a. Well where were we? We were at a Formula 3 event. I was with. I was crewing for a gentleman, Paul Nagel. [01:33:54] Speaker A: True gentleman and lover of Italian mistresses as we call. Used to call our Dallara's we used to call them the Italian mistress. They had TVs in there and we were watching it was. It was a Shannon Speed Series event And. [01:34:12] Speaker A: We'Re watching the live stream. No set, no sound but we're just watching. We're just watching the racing. I thought this is. How easy would it be for them to live stream that event and also Philip Island. I mean you know, I suppose the VHRR run event when they've got their own committee for each event which is. [01:34:39] Speaker A: Fantastic that they do have a group of guys working 12 months of the year all volunteers. [01:34:46] Speaker A: For the events. And. [01:34:50] Speaker A: I suppose that event was the first time that it was ever live streamed and it was a good live stream. I was, you know, I was sitting here in Perth watching it. I'm thinking, yep, I get it, I love it, I like it. And it's giving an audience. [01:35:07] Speaker A: It'S giving another audience that can't watch it, watching it. And also live, live capture. Live capture. And also just on that. [01:35:19] Speaker A: Live stream on the weekend from Laguna Seca there was a humpy running at Laguna Seika this weekend. [01:35:31] Speaker A: And the historics in Laguna Seca and it was a local, local Melbourne car apparently or a local WA car. So interested to see that. And. [01:35:43] Speaker A: It was good. [01:35:45] Speaker B: Yeah. Live, live streaming from Winton. And this is a figure figures from the organizers. [01:35:50] Speaker A: Yes. [01:35:52] Speaker B: They had 42000 views. [01:35:54] Speaker A: Yes. [01:35:55] Speaker B: And a total of 4th 40461000 minutes watch from various countries and they had 7000 gate attendees which is pretty good. That was Winton two weeks ago. [01:36:08] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. [01:36:10] Speaker B: It's an amazing heritage Touring cars group and group s tribute cars, Formula Ford and sports sedans were in that time frame. [01:36:19] Speaker A: I suppose you know where they're taking that event and I've spoken to the guys who, who run the event. [01:36:29] Speaker A: They're really now making that a true tank top tintop event. [01:36:35] Speaker B: Yeah. And they're going to have the open wheeler category later in the year when the weather's more kinder. [01:36:40] Speaker A: Yeah. And you know I suppose the Austin 7 Car Club run Winton Historics and. [01:36:46] Speaker B: In May they're on the short track. [01:36:48] Speaker A: They're on the short track and the guys that in the VHRI guys they run the long track which is another interesting. It's a different track altogether. It was mainly for the touring cars. They made that extension. So it's a bit of a dog leg, a straight, a corner, another corner and then you go onto the back onto the main street in front of the Pick garages which is where the formula Fords were at Winton. But you know the. It's just another event and you know they've taken it and. Yeah. Group A, Group C Tin top sports car Group S which is like. [01:37:36] Speaker B: What I call it 240Zs. [01:37:38] Speaker A: Yeah that's sort of mark sports cast style. Mark sports carish. You know that, that now has got legs that event. [01:37:48] Speaker A: Winton with the Austin 7 is probably one of the oldest historic racing events. I think it's to its nearly 50th year. [01:37:58] Speaker A: Continually except for Covert continually except for Covid. That is. That is a ripper event and, and they put in and they have everything. It's unfortunate this year they didn't have bikes. [01:38:13] Speaker B: No. There was an interesting thing with the box and there was a box over the. As I come down the back straight and into that Right, left, right. [01:38:25] Speaker A: Yes about. [01:38:26] Speaker B: If they come off a bike there they're pretty close to a wall. So there's an interesting thing about that. [01:38:31] Speaker A: I was, I was there, I was there. When were we there? Probably three or four years ago now. Maybe four years ago. And the bike guys were. They had the barriers and they'd all. Mate they were all arm in arm hand in hand helping to run that event and you can't, you can't fault them. I mean as far as safety goes they had the blow up sort of barriers in front of the. The old, the old pits that. The old pits where all the. Yeah. [01:39:07] Speaker B: Rule the garage on the inside right hand side. [01:39:10] Speaker A: Yes they had, they had blow up. They'd blow up. [01:39:19] Speaker A: Blow up barriers. They blow up barriers all around the track. So it's. And it was an event you sort of, you went to and there was all. And you know there was bikes you know where years ago in the, in the, in the, in the 60s 70s, early 80s at Bathurst especially they ran Bathurst Lisa. They'd run the cars on the, the cars on the Saturday, the bikes on the Sunday and. [01:39:50] Speaker A: It was an awesome event. Now it's unfortunate but I suppose with safety cars and bikes have trouble running on the same cards on the same events. [01:40:05] Speaker A: So, yeah, we're pretty, we're pretty spoilt in the day, but now. All right, so now we've got. Where's the next race? [01:40:15] Speaker B: The next race is Queensland, more Morgan park just outside of Warwick. Well, that's southern Queensland. [01:40:20] Speaker A: That'd be great. [01:40:21] Speaker B: That's the 17th to the 19th of October. [01:40:25] Speaker A: Yes. [01:40:27] Speaker B: And so there's already, there's already a handful of cars entered for that. [01:40:30] Speaker A: Yes. [01:40:32] Speaker B: And yeah, that's pretty, that's a pretty good thing. People come from far wide to go to Morgan Park. [01:40:39] Speaker A: It's a good little track. [01:40:41] Speaker B: It's a great track. [01:40:44] Speaker A: A good little trick. [01:40:45] Speaker B: And then our final round this year is Sydney Motorsport park at the 28th to the 30th of November. [01:40:54] Speaker A: Fantastic. [01:40:55] Speaker B: Now that's it. And Malala has been pre booked now for the 17th and 19th April next year. [01:41:04] Speaker A: Okay. [01:41:05] Speaker B: Which is. Yeah, that's a, that's a great track. [01:41:09] Speaker A: That is a great. And it's a great event the South Australian Sporting Car Club put on. It's a fantastic weekend. [01:41:16] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's a very relaxed, very relaxed event. [01:41:22] Speaker B: I always say it's that relaxed, you can go to sleep driving the car, which is something you don't want to do, but that's how relaxed it is. And the sporty car club, the whole official. They're a great bunch of people. They're very warm and welcoming. [01:41:37] Speaker A: They are fantastic. I mean they run the Collin Grove Hill climb and they're having the Australians out there later this year, which will be another awesome event. And yeah, if you've ever, if you've never been to Collin Grove, it's actually an event to go to. It's that country picnic atmosphere. Probably not as good. It's. It's a great event. Compare it to somewhere like Rob Roy. Historic and classic. [01:42:10] Speaker A: Yes, in some aspects. But these guys, South Australia, you know. [01:42:17] Speaker A: Fantastic. The home of motorsport in South Australia. Malala, Colin Grove. [01:42:23] Speaker B: You got, you got the bend. Bend on board now. [01:42:26] Speaker A: Yeah, that's, that's. And they own, they actually the, the, the brothers. [01:42:34] Speaker A: They own Malala, so. Which is fantastic because they, they believe that Malala. [01:42:43] Speaker A: They can run events there. They've put some money into it. They're beautifying. Was a bit scrappy. Clem Smith passed away. [01:42:53] Speaker A: They stopped having V8s there some years ago. They still ran the development series. They ran some Formula 3 stuff. And then, you know, with Clem's passing, obviously the light goes out for some reason. [01:43:09] Speaker A: And they, they've They've pumped a fair bit of dollars into that event, into that track. And it's a. It's. It's a historic event, which is fantastic. You guys be running at Sandown? [01:43:24] Speaker B: No, no, not sand down this year. We ran last year. Last year? [01:43:28] Speaker A: Yes, last year. [01:43:29] Speaker B: Last year. Sanding last. Last year. [01:43:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:43:33] Speaker B: Actually, I think it was the year before. Can't remember. Yeah, but yeah, it's. [01:43:40] Speaker B: Sorry. It was last year. I'm looking at 20, 26 calendar. My apology. Last year they ran sand down, which was a bloody good event. It was really good. Yeah, I am. The weather was good again. VHRR organized event, which they've done three historic race meetings in Victoria throughout the year. [01:43:59] Speaker A: Yes. [01:44:00] Speaker B: And everything flowed really well. [01:44:03] Speaker A: Yeah. Sand is a good track. It's. Especially in the dry. Yeah, it's a little bit bumpy, but it's. Sand down is a historic. Is. Is one of the last tracks. [01:44:16] Speaker B: It's the original historic tracks. [01:44:18] Speaker A: It's the only. It's the only racetrack in Australia left that had a racecourse. [01:44:29] Speaker B: In with it. [01:44:30] Speaker A: In with it. Yeah, there was Warwick Farm and that went to the sort of stopped and they sort of developed that when they sort of developed Rose Hill for. For horse racing. And, you know, I think Jeff Sykes. I think, you know, they wanted, you know, and sand down is beautiful to watch car racing because you sit that grandstand and you can see the whole track. [01:44:55] Speaker B: Yeah, it is good. No matter, like, whether you're up on the hill, up in the grandstand, you'll see most. Almost. Almost most of the track. If you're up on the hill, you see most of the track. [01:45:07] Speaker A: Yes. [01:45:08] Speaker B: If you're around the back, you see most of the track, you lose. So he turns 2, 3 and 4. [01:45:13] Speaker A: Yes. [01:45:16] Speaker B: If you're at the end of the grandstand, you. You lose. Dandenong Road Corner, but you've still got most of it. And the noise that echoes off that grandstand is something very different. [01:45:25] Speaker A: Oh, it's fantastic. It's. It's fantastic watching, you know, historic Sports sedans, Formula 5000s, anything with a big engine coming down that main straight, because it is. [01:45:40] Speaker A: Historic sports sedans. [01:45:41] Speaker B: Next year, could be invited to Muscle Car Masters at Sydney. [01:45:45] Speaker A: Okay. [01:45:46] Speaker B: It's an. It's at the moment, it's in. It's in negotiations. [01:45:50] Speaker A: So Muscle Car Masters, that would be Father's Day weekend. [01:45:53] Speaker B: Father's Day. Or the week before, the week after. [01:45:56] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:45:56] Speaker B: Back at Sydney Motorsport Park. And the year after, these talks about going back to Tassie. [01:46:03] Speaker A: Awesomeness. [01:46:06] Speaker B: Yeah, that's. That's sort of 2027, Malala. Sort of that, that date, the middle of April. Winton Festival speed is usually the first weekend in August. Those sort of dates have pencilled in up throughout 2027 as well. [01:46:23] Speaker A: Awesome. [01:46:24] Speaker B: So, yeah, my calendar runs one to two years in advance. [01:46:29] Speaker A: Fantastic. And how's your car going? [01:46:33] Speaker B: My car's running my car. Its first outing was Winton Festivals Festival speed two weeks weekends ago. [01:46:39] Speaker A: Fantastic. [01:46:40] Speaker B: With a new engine. [01:46:41] Speaker A: Great. [01:46:42] Speaker B: And seriously, totally different to the last engine. Yeah.308 powered. Power is instant. With the last engine, power kicked in at about three grand and ran up to seven. [01:46:56] Speaker A: Yes. [01:46:56] Speaker B: This power kicks in instant and it runs well. At the moment the ref's limit is set at 5. 9. [01:47:02] Speaker A: Yes. [01:47:02] Speaker B: But it makes power up to 7. I don't have to rev it that hard. Not around Winton. [01:47:07] Speaker A: No. [01:47:07] Speaker B: Philip island. Maybe sand down, maybe run it up to six or seven grand, but we're not running up that revs. Reliability factor comes down. [01:47:15] Speaker A: Yes. Yes. [01:47:17] Speaker B: I'm quite happy to run it. Six, six, six and a half. The last engine I ran to six one most of the time until I busted at Baskerville. [01:47:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:47:28] Speaker A: What, what was in that previously? Was it always the 308 or was the throw 8? [01:47:31] Speaker B: So basically, when Dave Hunter built this car in mid 76, he built it with a 202 in it. [01:47:37] Speaker A: Yes. [01:47:37] Speaker B: Running a dug and alloy head. So he ran it. [01:47:42] Speaker B: August 76 and at Calder. [01:47:47] Speaker B: December 76 at Sandown. As a six cylinder. [01:47:51] Speaker A: Yes. [01:47:52] Speaker B: Then March 1977, decided, I want to make this thing go faster. Stuck a 308 in it. [01:47:58] Speaker A: Yes. [01:47:59] Speaker B: I have six cylinder to me from having road cars is a better balanced car. Yes, I am. But yeah. And he could never drive it. Dave's still with us. He resides in Tassie now. I have spoken to him and he said basically he could never drive the car. It's, it's, it's not easy to drive. It's. It's set up. The suspension setup is totally wrong. But that's the way it was in the day. [01:48:25] Speaker A: Yes. And don't we know about that with historic cars, they. What they did in the 70s. It's, you know, I mean, it's the error of time that we chose to race. It's the error of time of the cars that we've got. And yeah, it's fantastic. [01:48:42] Speaker B: This thing of mine runs same size tires as a Formula 5000. [01:48:46] Speaker A: Yep. [01:48:46] Speaker B: So the tires are just too big for the car. [01:48:48] Speaker A: Yes. [01:48:49] Speaker B: The front's too High. The car's literally too high. Full stop. But that's the way it was. I, I just drive around it. [01:48:55] Speaker A: So you can't, you can't drop the tire size mark on it. [01:48:59] Speaker B: No, it runs 15 inch, 15 inch. [01:49:04] Speaker B: Rim size. So that'll clear the front brakes. [01:49:06] Speaker A: Yep. [01:49:06] Speaker B: But inside that I can go a smaller diameter tire, front and rear. [01:49:10] Speaker A: Yes. [01:49:10] Speaker B: And, but it also upsets the gearing too. [01:49:14] Speaker A: Well, once you start, once you start playing around with the, once you start playing around with tire sizes and you start playing around with the gearing and then you start unbalancing the car and then when you start unbalancing the car, you're pushing the car. [01:49:25] Speaker B: And then my rear tires are 27 inches diameter, fronts are 25 inch diameter. [01:49:31] Speaker A: Yep. [01:49:32] Speaker B: So from there I shift it to around the 25 inch diameters on the rear and I'll try 23 inch diameters on the front. And it was totally different to drive. [01:49:41] Speaker A: Yes. [01:49:43] Speaker B: Even to braking. And I just go, oh, this is, don't remember doing this then. This was at Eastern Creek back in 2023, 2022. [01:49:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:49:53] Speaker B: And it was just really, really strange to drive. But I did get, did get used to it. [01:49:58] Speaker A: Yep. [01:49:59] Speaker B: And yeah, it was quite interesting to drive and went back to the bigger tires and it was so much easier. [01:50:05] Speaker A: Fantastic. Okay. Well mate, it's been awesomeness talking to you again. I hope the listeners have understood. Historic sports sedans group you. [01:50:20] Speaker A: We've spoken about everything and anything they. [01:50:24] Speaker B: Can take a look at. Like a Facebook page. Historic sports sedans Australia. [01:50:28] Speaker A: Yes. [01:50:29] Speaker B: And we've got people, we got 1213, 000 followers. [01:50:34] Speaker A: Yes. [01:50:34] Speaker B: We got people from just putting up, oh, you know this car, we've got a picture of this car, raced it at a track in Australia in the 70s or in the 80s. [01:50:45] Speaker B: And it's also full of someone to put up a car. Look, I've got this car. Can anyone give me some information on it? [01:50:51] Speaker A: It's a fantastic knowledge. It's a fantastic knowledge base for guys who have found these cars, who want to restore them. Historic sports page, Facebook page. [01:51:03] Speaker B: Historic sports and Australia. [01:51:05] Speaker A: Historic sports and Australia Facebook page, Facebook page. Yeah, and we'll have a link on that. We'll have a link to that also for future reference for anybody. Yeah. But be an enthusiast, Go and have a look at these cars. [01:51:20] Speaker B: Run yeah, our four rounds throughout Australia the year. [01:51:25] Speaker A: Yes. [01:51:26] Speaker B: We try and cater for, we try and get around in every state. So South Australia, Victoria, Queensland and New South Wales. [01:51:36] Speaker B: Tassie's not next year. The year. [01:51:38] Speaker A: Yeah. But still you still go to Tassie, so. I mean, there's a lot of enthusiasts in Tassie. I mean, the unfortunate thing is the tyranny of distance between east and. And west is a tyranny of distance and it sometimes it just proves insurmountable. [01:51:58] Speaker B: Like Dick Ward a couple of years ago, came over from west from Perth into Malala. Yeah, yeah. Took him. Took him three days. He just cruised along. [01:52:07] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [01:52:08] Speaker B: And Dick Ward's over 70 and you wouldn't think so, you think he'd be about 50. [01:52:14] Speaker B: But yeah. And I said, how long does it take you to come go back home? He said, oh, okay. Sightseeing. It might take me a week to get home. Yeah, I could do it in two days if I have to, but I don't. I'm not interested. [01:52:23] Speaker A: Yeah, no one wants to do that. And you know, Dick was at Winton too, so. [01:52:30] Speaker B: Didn'T seem at Winton this year. I know the car, the car wasn't. It might have been there a couple of years ago. [01:52:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Who was I talking to that ran into Dick Ward just recently? [01:52:40] Speaker B: He might have been at Winton in person, but as I say, I didn't see him. [01:52:44] Speaker A: Yeah. Somebody. Somebody said to me just recently that they, they were talking to Dick Ward. [01:52:50] Speaker B: So that's did say many people with cars. [01:52:53] Speaker A: Yep. [01:52:53] Speaker B: And I said, oh, we've got to get cars out. And even if they bring. If, if someone out there has got a car. [01:52:58] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:52:59] Speaker B: And okay, it's not running. Talk to the organizers at one of our events. Talk to us. [01:53:04] Speaker A: Yes. [01:53:05] Speaker B: And we gladly have it as a static display. [01:53:08] Speaker A: Fantastic. [01:53:08] Speaker B: If you've got, if you've got an A board, you can. Or if you haven't got an A board, you scribble one together. [01:53:13] Speaker A: Yes. [01:53:13] Speaker B: And people will actually, with the A board, people will stop, read it and look at the car without an A board, people look at the car and go, okay. And they'll try and have a chat to someone who's associated with the car. Then they'll just wander off. [01:53:26] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [01:53:27] Speaker B: And you really don't see them much more. But the A board makes a big difference. And as I say, we welcome. Like when my car was broken last year, I had it at Winton on static display. The year before I had it at sand down on static display. [01:53:39] Speaker A: Yes. [01:53:40] Speaker B: Yeah. Just waiting on engine parts. [01:53:42] Speaker A: Yeah. No, fantastic. [01:53:44] Speaker B: But yeah, that was. But yeah, we welcome. We welcome cars on static displays. [01:53:48] Speaker A: Okay, mate, thank you very much for coming on to Talking Talk today. That Was right. [01:53:52] Speaker B: Thank you, Darren. Thank you listeners. [01:53:54] Speaker A: Mate, that was an hour and 15. Mate. [01:53:58] Speaker B: We'Re still on. [01:53:59] Speaker A: Yeah, mate, we can go. Sorry, we can go for hours. [01:54:04] Speaker B: We can go an hour and 15 of great, great entertainment. [01:54:08] Speaker A: We can go for hours. But you know, I mean. [01:54:13] Speaker A: Yes, well thanks mate. Appreciate your time again. [01:54:17] Speaker A: Have a great day and we'll be catching up with you shortly. We'll be playing some. Some music. [01:54:26] Speaker B: That sounds good. [01:54:27] Speaker A: Yeah, we play. We actually we've played all the historic sports sedan stuff earlier in the program and we've got some music that Graham Lockhart from like the. The Lake Percolilli Driver car builder extraordinaire is sent in. So we're going to play some. Some of his indie rock. Some indie rock for Graham. [01:54:54] Speaker A: Graham Lockhart. Thanks mate, Appreciate your time. Have a great day. [01:54:56] Speaker B: Fantastic. No worries. Thank you. [01:54:58] Speaker A: Thanks mate. The best music from the 60s to today. IPL radio. Hey, hey, hey. Back again, Darren Chanter, Talking Talk. Thank you very much to Mr. Mark Sully for the Australian historic sports sedans for rigging in this afternoon. Great chat talking about all the historic cars that run and especially Dick Ward, Western Australian Dick Ward building those RX RX7s in the day and hopefully we'll get Dick on in the next series of Talking Talk. [01:55:39] Speaker A: Many thanks to Mr. Nigel Quick for coming on Desert Collectors talking about the Lake Percolilli film that they made. [01:55:53] Speaker A: Much appreciated to Nigel for coming in. He was at Mr. Lee's 76th birthday party this afternoon in Fremantle. So thank you very much for taking the time out to come on and. And have a chat about all things like Perkalilli and how they made the. The film. And you can go to the Desert Collector's website. They've got T shirts for Lake Percolilli and also the. The video film which was premiered at the Leaderville Cinemas. [01:56:30] Speaker A: Last year, which was a fantastic event. [01:56:33] Speaker A: We went and we were sitting next to a lot of people who sort of looked at me and man, where are you from? What did you do? Have you race at Lake Percoli? And basically we just went as an enthusiast to have a look at. [01:56:51] Speaker A: The. The film that Nigel and his team made which is fantastic. And that was a full cinema that that night. And then they had another event at Kalgoorlie which was another, I'm told another fantastic night. [01:57:10] Speaker A: And yeah, the world premiere. And then obviously they, Graham went to England to accept a award for the Lake Percolilli event which is fantastic that an event like that made an award in England. So, you know, hats off to everybody involved in Lake Percolilli. [01:57:35] Speaker A: 2025, which is fantastic. And it's nearly another. Nearly another. Our second last broadcast of the series of Talking Talk. And next week we'll be having our last program for the series. [01:57:56] Speaker A: And we'll have Donovitz from the Western Australian Historic Touring Car Association. So this is going to be a ripper of a show. [01:58:10] Speaker A: Don is everything historic. [01:58:14] Speaker A: Touring cars, especially in Western Australia. He's a driver, he's a builder, he's a competitor. [01:58:21] Speaker A: What the man doesn't know about a. What cars are, are in Western Australia and also historic sports sedans because he was once the owner of the John McCormack charger. And there's some interesting stories about that, too. But that's for another time. For with Don, we'll be talking about the sports sedans and where they're running and what they're doing and. [01:58:47] Speaker A: Who. Who's their major players and what cars they run, where they do run. And should be an excellent afternoon session with Don. And also Rebecca Joslin's coming in, talking about Talking tools. [01:59:05] Speaker A: Talking Tool is a person who cannot drive, who cannot park. If you've seen some of the funny photos on our Facebook page, you will agree that they are tools. They are tools of the road. So that's all coming up for next week. And we've got some interesting things happening in the next month. We won't be broadcasting for the month of October, but we will be in the month of September, but we will be broadcasting in the month of October, and we've got some really interesting things happening. And. [01:59:44] Speaker A: Watch out for the Facebook page. And we'll have some fantastic content of our travels through. [01:59:54] Speaker A: Middle Europe, I believe. So that's, that's pretty good. And. [02:00:02] Speaker A: Yeah, pretty happy with what's going on. I'm very happy with every house. Talking Talks, it's got its own legs at the moment. Everybody wants to have a chat. Everybody loves the content that we're producing for Talking Talk and also the videos, the interviews. And I can't thank everybody enough. [02:00:25] Speaker A: For coming on. They've taken their time to come on, to discuss, to talk. [02:00:32] Speaker A: To explain what they've done. And we've got some, you know, we've got some, some great interviews, some great personalities lined up for series two, which will start the first weekend of October, which is going to be great. And. [02:00:53] Speaker A: Yes, first weekend of October, Talking Talk. And yeah, it's going to be great. And we're going to have some. We're going to have some great videos and, and finger ma jiggies and some competitions. And we're going to talk about oil and we're talking about motorsport. We're going to talk about pedal cars, we're talking about signs, we're going to talk about memorabilia. We're going to have a memorabilia show also on Talking Talk. So that's. I'm going to have some special guests come in to the studio and some special guests on the line for that one. We'll be talking. We'll have a motorsport program, a full motorsport program of engine builders. Will have an engine builder. We'll be talking about an engine, what makes a great engine, what. And, and we'll be talking about the good thing, the oil. We talk about what oil you should use in your competition car and your gearbox and all sorts of the good things that you never ever hear. [02:01:59] Speaker A: About. So that's another fantastic, fantastic show. Fantastic. [02:02:06] Speaker A: Fantastic show coming. So, yeah, and we've got one last song for the day and it's our Dick, Dale and Miralu. 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